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Media Create Sales: Week 7, 2014 (Feb 10 - Feb 16)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Just to be pedantic, it was the CD generation when prices really exploded, they dropped down quite a bit for the 3D generation
1991.09.21 PC Engine Duo (¥59.800)
1992.04.01 Wondermega (¥82.800)
1993.02.20 FM Towns Marty (¥98.800)
1994.09.09 Neo Geo CD (¥49.800)
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So Ishin PS4 probably <80K (seeing how it's below DQ).
Interesting launch story:
http://translate.google.com/transla...famitsu.com/news/201402/22048717.html&act=url
Some parts of the paragraph:
The launch pattern of Playstation 4 at Shinjuku, Ikebukuro, Akihabara, Shibuya, and Yurakucho
A close to 150 people gathered around 7AM at the Akihabara branch of Yodobashi Camera
Bear in mind that this was in the middle of winter so the early morning of February is chilly indeed. At the Yodobashi Camera Akihabara, the queues were divided into two: for those who have pre-ordered and those who came without one. The first person who stand up for reservation had been waiting since 3PM the day before. Most people answered with "Graphic", "Online", "Specs" when being asked as to what attracted them to PS4.
When the time gets to 6.30AM, the countdown event started. The number of people continued to increase gradually over time until it reached about 100 people for people who already pre-ordered and about 50 people for those who did not pre-order.
Yurakucho Bic Camera
Bic Camera at Yurakucho had provided a special section for PS4 on the first floor of its store. At first the queues were short but just before it reached 7AM, more than 60 people had lined up. The countdown event was also held at the store.
The queues got longer and longer at the Ikebukuro Bic Camera until it reached over 80 people when it opened
The reporter arrived at the store at about 6AM when only about 15 people lined up. As the time gets closer to its 7AM opening, the line had over 80 people. When asked about the appeal of PS4, some people answered that it's the "Share" function, while others answered with "beautiful graphic"
Hardcore gamers gathered in Shinjuku Nishiguchi, the Yodobashi Camera Head Store
At the opening, which was 7AM, there were about 50 people. The customers were mixture of students and working people. There are still some stock left 1 hour after the opening.
The queue for Big Camera at Shinjuku Nishiguchi store
There were about 40 people gathered at this store by the time it opened at 7AM with more people continued to pour in after that. There was a lottery that took place for people who responded to questionnaire. The most wanted softwares are "Ryuu ga Gotoku: Ishin", "Killzone Shadow Fall", "Asukuri 4: Black Flag", and Battlefield 4".
Playstation 4 was popular at Shibuya Tsutaya store
The Tsutaya store at Shibuya began selling PS4 from 6.30AM. About 70 already gathered just before the opening. "Ryuu ga Gotoku: Ishin" and "AC4: Black Flag" were the popular software choice. Many also bought the vertical stand.
http://translate.google.com/transla...famitsu.com/news/201402/22048717.html&act=url
Some parts of the paragraph:
The launch pattern of Playstation 4 at Shinjuku, Ikebukuro, Akihabara, Shibuya, and Yurakucho
A close to 150 people gathered around 7AM at the Akihabara branch of Yodobashi Camera
Bear in mind that this was in the middle of winter so the early morning of February is chilly indeed. At the Yodobashi Camera Akihabara, the queues were divided into two: for those who have pre-ordered and those who came without one. The first person who stand up for reservation had been waiting since 3PM the day before. Most people answered with "Graphic", "Online", "Specs" when being asked as to what attracted them to PS4.
When the time gets to 6.30AM, the countdown event started. The number of people continued to increase gradually over time until it reached about 100 people for people who already pre-ordered and about 50 people for those who did not pre-order.
Yurakucho Bic Camera
Bic Camera at Yurakucho had provided a special section for PS4 on the first floor of its store. At first the queues were short but just before it reached 7AM, more than 60 people had lined up. The countdown event was also held at the store.
The queues got longer and longer at the Ikebukuro Bic Camera until it reached over 80 people when it opened
The reporter arrived at the store at about 6AM when only about 15 people lined up. As the time gets closer to its 7AM opening, the line had over 80 people. When asked about the appeal of PS4, some people answered that it's the "Share" function, while others answered with "beautiful graphic"
Hardcore gamers gathered in Shinjuku Nishiguchi, the Yodobashi Camera Head Store
At the opening, which was 7AM, there were about 50 people. The customers were mixture of students and working people. There are still some stock left 1 hour after the opening.
The queue for Big Camera at Shinjuku Nishiguchi store
There were about 40 people gathered at this store by the time it opened at 7AM with more people continued to pour in after that. There was a lottery that took place for people who responded to questionnaire. The most wanted softwares are "Ryuu ga Gotoku: Ishin", "Killzone Shadow Fall", "Asukuri 4: Black Flag", and Battlefield 4".
Playstation 4 was popular at Shibuya Tsutaya store
The Tsutaya store at Shibuya began selling PS4 from 6.30AM. About 70 already gathered just before the opening. "Ryuu ga Gotoku: Ishin" and "AC4: Black Flag" were the popular software choice. Many also bought the vertical stand.
So Tokyo has an import scene right? At least for western PC and Xbox games. If you're that hardcore why would you camp out 18 hours in the freezing cold to buy a console you could have bought 3 months earlier? US even has the same BD region as JP, but if they want to wait for an Asian version they could have bought that 2 months prior too, it's not as if it's even supply constrained in Asia as it is in the West.
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In about 1.5 hour, Tsutaya (retailer with ~700 store that sell video games) will post their last week sw ranking. We will be able to estimate how PS4 games sold based on their positioning.
SwiftDeath
Member
How large a list do they post? Top 50, 100 etc.?
Yeah me too, but Asian PS has same as Japan, and that's been available for 2 months already.
SwiftDeath
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Here's to hoping PS4 titles actually make the list then
Funny, because I bought a HK PS3 at launch ... made in Japan.
A very agreeable top10~20 though. Not all is lost.
Sammy Samusu
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[WiiU] New Super Mario Bros. U 138pt (170.563)
[WiiU] Monster Hunter 3G HD Ver. 58pt (110.149)
[WiiU] Nintendo Land 57pt (78.461)
[WiiU] ZombiU 16pt (11.226)
[PS4] Yakuza Ishin! - 111pt
[PS4] Battlefield 4 - 54pt
[PS4] Killzone Shadow Fall - 42pt
[PS4] Dynasty Warriors 7 - 26pt
[PS4] Assassin's Creed 4 Black Flag - 21pt
[PS4] Call of Duty Ghosts - 18pt
[PS4] Tomb Raider Definitive Edition - 15pt
ouch PS4 doing worse? Does not bode well for launch figures
An US import PS4 was 80,000 yen in November. Maybe it was more expensive or cheaper to get one from Asian countries, I don't know. But if you know it is coming out in a couple of months for half the price (nevermind local support etc.), would you import one?
I don't know why Japanese like to line up, I only know they do. But do they like to waste money?
Anyway, I imagine there was a part of the hardcore gamers that decided to go online shopping, seeing as how many internet stores sold-out while physical stores have plenty of stock.
Worse than mario? Of course.
Did you expect better numbers from Yakuza, (multi platform game) than Mario.
KillerMan91
Member
Eh. WiiU had pretty great launch week in Japan (308,142) not to mention it was released during holiday season. PS4 also has more titles charting.
I meant based based on software sales, looks like the PS4 is doing less than the WiiU launch
But Asia is the same BD region as Japan (Region A)
I guess, but I'm still confused as to how the fuck did Resident Evil 6 sell so such.
Oops, you're right, got my regions mixed up.
The change from DVD to DB regions is confusing (although I'm not complaining because NA and Japan are now in the same region).
With that said, on the DVD side Japan is definitely not in the same region as Asia (2 vs 3).
jeremy1456
Junior Member
I could be wrong, but I think Nintendo Land was packaged in with the premium edition which sold much better than the basic.
Yes, that's the most likely explanation. PS3 was similar price or cheaper to JP in HK, but PS4 is 3380HK = ¥44700, so quite a bit more expensive. Add import taxes, shipping, retailer mark up and It would add up. But November was before Asian release and whilst it was sold out in the West, importers could really bump up the price then. I would guess post Asian launch price would be closer to 60k in Japan. Anyway, my point wasn't really about sales (importers are always a tiny minority), I just found it bizarre (as we haven't really seen this situation before where a Japanese console launches last in Japan) that "hardcore" fans would wait out overnight in the cold for something they could have bought in Tokyo months ago. I guess as the Japanese market share continues to decline they'll get more attuned to having to import to be first on the block.
Yes, that is the only issue, but in this day and age it's not a big deal (how many people buy a PS4 to play DVDs?). I was disappointed that Asian PS3s could not play VCDs, but it was never an issue for buying one.
Personally I would never import a console just because it's not out in my region yet, because even though it's mostly region free there is still the possibility that the platform holder may change their mind halfway through. We already know that region locking is possible on the PS3, even though it was only a single game it has set a precedent, Sony could just decide at any point to bow down to the wills of the publishers and allow region locking for any game.
1st Course
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Tsutaya top 20 is out:
http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/rank/game.html?r=W090&moid=rank_sgame
Yakuza PS4 > DQ. The first DQ monsters sold 80K in it's 3rd week, so Yakuza PS4 probably >80K.
Killzone < DQ & Kuroko's Basketball but higher than Yokai Watch and DK. So probably >30K.
BF4 less than Yokai Watch but higher than DK. So probably 20-25K.
DW8 less than Yokai watch and DK but higher than Kirby. So probably 15-20K.
Everything else is less than Puyo Tetris 3DS, so probably <10K.
http://www.tsutaya.co.jp/rank/game.html?r=W090&moid=rank_sgame
Yakuza PS4 > DQ. The first DQ monsters sold 80K in it's 3rd week, so Yakuza PS4 probably >80K.
Killzone < DQ & Kuroko's Basketball but higher than Yokai Watch and DK. So probably >30K.
BF4 less than Yokai Watch but higher than DK. So probably 20-25K.
DW8 less than Yokai watch and DK but higher than Kirby. So probably 15-20K.
Everything else is less than Puyo Tetris 3DS, so probably <10K.
test_account
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PS4 is doing a bit better on those Comgnet numbers. WiiU had 269 copies (points), while the PS4 had 287 copies (points).
It wasnt. Wiiu had no bundle in Japan when it started
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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Standalone version of MH3HD sold about 35k
To be fair SCEJA now offer a warranty with PS4 (or PSV) that is valid throughout the Asian region. For example; you can buy a PS4 in Hong Kong, and get it repaired under warranty in Thailand. Their Asian support is really improving.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
It's not as easily comparable as that when it comes to overall sales.
Just look at how NSMBU and MH3G sold. Compare their overall sales that week and the comgnet numbers.
SwiftDeath
Member
So is this just for one chain of stores? How much of the market does it represent?
PotionBleue
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test_account
XP-39C²
True, but i think this is basically the only way you can do a straight-forward comparsion. A game that ranks with 100 Comgnet points might sell for example 50k, while another title that also gets 100 Comgnet ponts might sell 100k instead. There isnt any real pattern to look at (at least not from what i've seen), so adding the points up shows how many total copies that were sold at Comgnet.
Otherwise i think its better to look at the titles instead and judge more from that. New Super Mario Bros U, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate HD and Nintendoland all seemed to have better sales potential at launch compared to what the PS4 had. So i will not be surprised if the WiiU sold more software in the top 50 at launch week compared to what the PS4 did.
SwiftDeath
Member
Thanks didn't see that post
PS4 is sold out in all Tokyo branches of Yodobashi camera. The sales are probably kinda weak but not that weak.
http://www.yodobashi.com/ec/news/1000073465/index.html?kind=0002&store=0011
http://www.yodobashi.com/ec/news/1000073465/index.html?kind=0002&store=0011
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Based on my previous post:
Yakuza PS4 >80K
Killzone >30K
BF4 20-25K
DW8 15-20K
COD, Tomb Raider, FIFA, AC4 <10K
Need for speed can't be higher than 5K.
Total sw sales: 190-200K
Assuming attach ratio of 0.8: 238-250K HW sales.
Personally I would say 270-280K.
Yakuza PS4 >80K
Killzone >30K
BF4 20-25K
DW8 15-20K
COD, Tomb Raider, FIFA, AC4 <10K
Need for speed can't be higher than 5K.
Total sw sales: 190-200K
Assuming attach ratio of 0.8: 238-250K HW sales.
Personally I would say 270-280K.
SwiftDeath
Member
So that chain of stores would be representative of all hardware sales? Are there no other chains of stores that should be taken into account?
Feels a bit like trying to extrapolate all console sales in the US off of just what Best Buy sold although I must admit I'm not aware of stores in Japan
Or is the 30K extra for the other stores?
1st Course
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It's the biggest retailer that sell video games in Japan I think. SW ranking should be near identical to MC & Famitsu ranking.
I think after what happen to the wii u ....
SwiftDeath
Member
Not to be annoying I am truly curious but if you had to guess how much of the hardware sales market do you think Tsutaya has?
I know its 700 stores which sounds a lot but is it greater than 70% of the retailer market would you say?