Paving the path for the impending success of the Xbox One!
Japan will Ryse from this slump and come back with a Killer Instict vengance
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Media Create Sales: Week 16, 2014 (Apr 14 - Apr 20)
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Paving the path for the impending success of the Xbox One!
Japan will Ryse from this slump and come back with a Killer Instict vengance
Poltergust
Member
No idea. From the trailers I've seen about the game, the animations seem to be only barely improved, and I don't know if it fixes the myriad of other issues (performance, soundtrack quality, etc.) present in the iOS version.
It would be impressive if XBox One can average more than a thousand units per week in Japan.
Metallix87
Member
Indeed. 2015 will be a good year for Nintendo if they can have the successor ready with some decent launch titles.
Something tells me Japan doesn't care.
Damn, poor Just Dance! Not a fan, but still...
btw, who would have thought to see Vita and 3DS neck and neck. :')
Granted, LTD is what it is but still, it's nice, Vita can live with japanese games for a couple more years I think.
Low PS4 numbers must be because of Xbone announcement >
Err, pardon my ignorance but I just barely followed this tax thing.
How much % more are we talking about and what would be the average price of a game before and after it ?
Please disregard if the question comes off as annoying, your comment just sparked my curiosity. Must be a noticeable tax increase to actively scare away customers.
i wouldn't say 19k/week is a good figure for either, but one does have roughly 13 million more units sold than the other.
That would definitely explain the lack of software for 3DS this year. Hope they do launch one next year.
Damn, poor Just Dance! Not a fan, but still...
btw, who would have thought to see Vita and 3DS neck and neck. :')
Granted, LTD is what it is but still, it's nice, Vita can live with japanese games for a couple more years I think.
Low PS4 numbers must be because of Xbone announcement >
While I'm happy at the Vita increase, no one should be shocked that 3DS wouldn't do big numbers forever.
We've been shown the entire time that 3DS wouldn't do as well as DS, and that means it was going to hit it's saturation a lot sooner. It being around Vita numbers is something every single person should have expected once we got to this point so I'm not seeing how this is a big win for Vita like some are trying to claim.
Can you immagine the threads if Sony had launched in Japan first and got this numbers? There would be blood.
ScepticMatt
Member
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Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
So where is Chris anyway?
I don't think it's safe to assume anything at this point.
The Vita isn't even supposed to be on sale at this point. To be jostling for first place is fucking insane and not something that anyone would have bet on 18 months ago.
eighty(one)
Member
To be blunt (not at you):
The 2DS won't do shit in Japan.
It's not portable enough.
It looks like a stopgap designed for the west & it feels like it.
I think this will happen sooner than most here are anticipating.
But is getting there, step by step.
I honestly think Japan would rather have Nintendo games on mobile.
PdotMichael
Banned
Looks more like they don't want a dedicated handheld anymore - even Nintendo with it's handhelds moves more into a niche market.
I think this pretty much says it all.
We have had this situation before with major DS numbers outselling all hardware, but that was happening when sales were much better than they are now.
It's a deep pit into which things are falling.
3DS is basically like DS in 2008, right now. Not in numbers obviously, but in terms of % drop in its 4th year. It's identical, so far. We're talking about a console that already sold over 15 millions in just 3 years in Japan, of course it's saturation. I'm not saying that Nintendo shouldn't do anything at all, though... and they're seemingly doing something now (the promotion I mentioned earlier, and that hopefully they'll advertise). Just that such factor should be considered when talking about its current sales. Obviously, if they launch next handheld around Holidays 2015 / Early 2016, it would be ideal, since doing it much later could result as poisonous to the successor's momentum (of course, they need also the right games / price / features, but that would be a start).
From the reports we have been getting, Japan seems to be content with their gatchapon waifus on mobile. There will continue to be some market for traditional games, but I can't see another handheld from Nintendo doing as well as the 3DS.
Metallix87
Member
I think a lot of 3DS content is being saved for E3 as well, honestly. That being said, I suspect that this will be the 3DS's last "big" year in terms of quantity of releases.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
As you put your own little spin on it. Not like I care either way, I just found this response kind of funny.
Japan went from a general 5% consumption tax on all goods to 8% on April 1st. I believe the tax rises to 10% in 2016.
Chris seems to have the same price before and after the tax increase, so I'm not sure how exactly its been applied. And yeah, since its a general consumption tax on all goods, it has had an effect, especially on luxury goods such as gaming.
so total hardware sales are 37% of what they were last year at this time.
Even with PS4 being out. Nothing more needs to be said.
Japan already have what they want, it's called a mobile phone.
The main issue to me is not as much the sales curve as the saturation point being much lower, so they have to respond notably sooner if we don't want to go staring at a line-up of six sub-10K (or pretty close) platforms this time next year.
This was posted in last week's thread:
"[PS1] Super Robot Wars Alpha 434.934
[PS1] Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden 377.237
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Alpha 2 330.559
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Alpha 3 471.393
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Z 360.824
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Z: Special Disc 29.436
[PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Wars Z: Hakai-hen 307.019
[PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Wars Z: Saisei-hen 265.439
[PS3] 3rd Super Robot Wars Z: Jigoku-Hen 142.433
[PSV] 3rd Super Robot Wars Z: Jigoku-Hen 128.236"
Does anyone know if those are all first week numbers or LTD?
"[PS1] Super Robot Wars Alpha 434.934
[PS1] Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden 377.237
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Alpha 2 330.559
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Alpha 3 471.393
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Z 360.824
[PS2] Super Robot Wars Z: Special Disc 29.436
[PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Wars Z: Hakai-hen 307.019
[PSP] Dai-2-Ji Super Robot Wars Z: Saisei-hen 265.439
[PS3] 3rd Super Robot Wars Z: Jigoku-Hen 142.433
[PSV] 3rd Super Robot Wars Z: Jigoku-Hen 128.236"
Does anyone know if those are all first week numbers or LTD?
KillerMan91
Member
Considering how 3DS is supposed to be Nintendos breadwinner at the moment and Japan is supposed to be its best territory sales wise...yikes.
Metallix87
Member
They may be saving it for the right timing. It's coming, though, for sure.
Looks like first week from what is available on Garaph
ambientmystic
Member
Hmm, bad sales for everyone, but the PS4's "hold" above the 10k barrier is something at least.
Damn, it really is a crappy situation when a hold is considered to be a good thing for a console that is going to cross streams with its predecessor in terms of the weekly aligned LTD in Japan. If I can just find that Chris1964 post listing it out side by side last week.
EDIT:-
Found it, modified to include this week's numbers. The PS3/PS4 streams should cross next week(!) at this rate. Not a good sign at all.
Damn, it really is a crappy situation when a hold is considered to be a good thing for a console that is going to cross streams with its predecessor in terms of the weekly aligned LTD in Japan. If I can just find that Chris1964 post listing it out side by side last week.
EDIT:-
Found it, modified to include this week's numbers. The PS3/PS4 streams should cross next week(!) at this rate. Not a good sign at all.
...because now selling over 15 millions in 3 years (hint. Only 2 consoles sold around/over 5 millions per year in their first 3 years. One was DS. Guess what's the other one?) means that people want Nintendo games on mobile or that their handhelds are niche.
Oooookeeeey.
Because it does not appeal to Japanese people.
I imagine they didn't warn to harm margin in what was their best territory, along with them thinking it's not an amazing fit given it's a portable centric market.
At this point they're heading into the dead zone though so it's about time to for them to wheel it out and hope they get a boost.
More specifically, I think Nintendo needs to target the Vita and PS3's audience - assuming they still can make ground on that front. The casual consumer is going to mobile and Nintendo will have a hard time grabbing them back. So, Nintendo's left with the traditional space and has to expand within that.
Do you remember really early on when people were saying that the 3DS seemed like it was going to be the true successor to the PSP? It grabbed Monster Hunter and Kingdom Hearts, but I don't think that ended up coming true for the most part.
For what was left of their available game set Sony did a decent job forking out enough cash to keep it on Vita.
I mean it's a sea of ho-hum to low ball sellers, but it's something.
Thanks. Looks like SRW is hanging around the Z2 level with a slight decline, especially if you figure Vita probably has a few 10,000s sold digitally. Probably did a bit under 300k opening all things combined. Less than Z2-1, but more than Z2-2. Just makes it harder to track since it's split across PS3/Vita versions and digital versions.
3DS needs to target Vita's audience? This is so wrong even right now after 3DS has cooled down. You never aim to be second place, especially not an ridiculously distant second place in a 2-horse race.
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Deleted member 125677
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Funny how quickly Japan went from 3DS-land to ... sort-of-nothing-land
We're all happy for the Vita rise, but numbers wise a Vita in heaven is a 3DS in hell
We're all happy for the Vita rise, but numbers wise a Vita in heaven is a 3DS in hell
mobile-land?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
I don't think that will help that much if it ends up getting the same games the 3DS gets. I mean it'll sell but it I think it'll saturate faster than 3DS did without new ips and mid teir games imo.
Metallix87
Member
I do think, though, that Nintendo must see the niche titles on Vita doing reasonably well, and should be considering making moves to secure the devs behind those games for the next Nintendo handheld.
