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European hardware sales for Xbox 360= ~18,000 units/week.....can this be right??
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My Arms Your Hearse
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Wii isn't going to come close to beating PS3 in Europe.
Il Comodino
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Square2005
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After looking thru this thread I didn't see any LTD sales figures for X360 in Europe. Does anyone know if it has broken a million? Was there a press release about it breaking a million in Europe (sold, not shipped)?
Looks like I need to revise PAL sales downward on my regional monthly cumulative sales chart, right?:
Blurriness fixt!
EDIT: JFYI: the PAL data are my estimates, not really based on any sales-tracking org. So I'd like to know the LTDs if anyone knows...
Looks like I need to revise PAL sales downward on my regional monthly cumulative sales chart, right?:
Blurriness fixt!
EDIT: JFYI: the PAL data are my estimates, not really based on any sales-tracking org. So I'd like to know the LTDs if anyone knows...
Pope Benedict XVI
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I think that people are waiting for the PS3 to launch, but that doesn't mean that they'll actually buy a PS3. I'm very much leaning towards 360 myself, but I'd feel more comfortable buying it after the PS3 launch, just so I can see how things are working out and make a better comparison.
Note that PS1 sales were quite low until after the N64 launched.
Note that PS1 sales were quite low until after the N64 launched.
ichigo kurosaki
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I think that some people actually consider Europe and America like two identical markets and don't bother to check the facts. Many people say "oh yeah the ps3 won't sell a shit in Europe because it's so expensive" but they don't consider the ps2 cost around 500 in Europe when it was first launched...
I also read up there that the Xbox360 isn't doing well in Europe "because it's much more expensive than the original Xbox." Wrong again. The Xbox was launched at around 480, and the most expensive 360 SKU is 399.
As for the Xbox and Halo not being huge brands in Europe, I'd have to concur. I'm actually amazed that Microsoft doesn't spend more in advertising. Really, it's pretty pathetic that the only xbox360 commercials I saw were the ones at launch. Not a single one after those, at least none that I remember... [while PS2/PSP advertising is everywhere]
Can't say they're doing all they can to make the system succeed.
I also read up there that the Xbox360 isn't doing well in Europe "because it's much more expensive than the original Xbox." Wrong again. The Xbox was launched at around 480, and the most expensive 360 SKU is 399.
As for the Xbox and Halo not being huge brands in Europe, I'd have to concur. I'm actually amazed that Microsoft doesn't spend more in advertising. Really, it's pretty pathetic that the only xbox360 commercials I saw were the ones at launch. Not a single one after those, at least none that I remember... [while PS2/PSP advertising is everywhere]
Can't say they're doing all they can to make the system succeed.
godisturbed
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The original xbox was in trouble until Microsoft bundled 4 games with it over christams and had Splinter Cell on TV every minute of the day. I dont see them doing a similar deal with the 360 so I think the situation will stay pretty bad for them.
Frankfurter
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@Square Microsoft during GC (or a few days earlier? Dunno anymore) announced that they have sold through 1.3m X360 in Europe.
There obviously are numbers from the most important markets. Just as an example we got PSP, DS and GBA sales from France for quite a few weeks from France last year. Nintendo published them and afaik the source was GFK. The UK obviously has hardware numbers and I'm pretty sure that all the other markets where GFK is active also have them - we just don't get to see them (it's not like that would be any different with the NPD data if we wouldn't have some guys that have access to the dat) because nobody that has access shares them.
After all X360 is more expensive than Xbox. Xbox launched at 479€, but the price was reduced to 300€ after only ~2 weeks and every one that bought it for that 479€ price got games, controllers and whatnot.
Rhindle said:
There obviously are numbers from the most important markets. Just as an example we got PSP, DS and GBA sales from France for quite a few weeks from France last year. Nintendo published them and afaik the source was GFK. The UK obviously has hardware numbers and I'm pretty sure that all the other markets where GFK is active also have them - we just don't get to see them (it's not like that would be any different with the NPD data if we wouldn't have some guys that have access to the dat) because nobody that has access shares them.
ichigo kurosaki said:
After all X360 is more expensive than Xbox. Xbox launched at 479€, but the price was reduced to 300€ after only ~2 weeks and every one that bought it for that 479€ price got games, controllers and whatnot.
The problem of the 360 is becoming each time more apparent: it is a console designed to catter mainly to ango saxon audience.
Although this time they have tried to add more variety to its games, thing is there hasn't been released yet any title that didn't pandered to the hardcore 360 audience (and N3 doesn't count since it is just a poor game). Racing games, FPSs, sports games, more FPSs... heck, just look at the big 360 exclusives: mass effect, gears of wars, too human... they just cement the percepton of the 360 as the "space marines shooting machine".
If they want to capture Europe's audience, try to make something quirky, something stylish, something... well, more Japanese. Dead rising is a good start, but it cannot be just that. What will truthly stop the PS3 in Europe is not going to be Gears of War, but rather Lost oddissey, Viva Piñata and eyetoy-esque games. Or even better, why not try *gasp* some original, never seen before game? or something unable to be replicated by the PS3? Why not use the integration of live and windows in order to make a videogame that would blend with your real life? The "metooism" can only take you so far.
That is very true statement.
Although this time they have tried to add more variety to its games, thing is there hasn't been released yet any title that didn't pandered to the hardcore 360 audience (and N3 doesn't count since it is just a poor game). Racing games, FPSs, sports games, more FPSs... heck, just look at the big 360 exclusives: mass effect, gears of wars, too human... they just cement the percepton of the 360 as the "space marines shooting machine".
If they want to capture Europe's audience, try to make something quirky, something stylish, something... well, more Japanese. Dead rising is a good start, but it cannot be just that. What will truthly stop the PS3 in Europe is not going to be Gears of War, but rather Lost oddissey, Viva Piñata and eyetoy-esque games. Or even better, why not try *gasp* some original, never seen before game? or something unable to be replicated by the PS3? Why not use the integration of live and windows in order to make a videogame that would blend with your real life? The "metooism" can only take you so far.
That is very true statement.
Funky Papa
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Don't forget that MS' marketing is totally absent when not being utterly incompetent.
PS3 could retail for 1000 and it'd still beat the Xbox 360 for a landslide.
PS3 could retail for 1000 and it'd still beat the Xbox 360 for a landslide.
Phantast2k
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Ikael said:
My thoughts exactly. The future of 360 in Europe seems pretty bleak to me.
It might be even stripped of some of its unique benefits:
xbl: ps3 might offer the same for free, wii is at least online capable and offers it for free
better looking multiplatform games: no such gap this gen as compared to ps2-xbox
pc games ports: a lot of them were xbox only because the ps2 couldn't handle them (like hl2 or far cry)
So this combined with brand and variety of games makes me think that if sony doesn't screw up majorly MS will not be able kick its ass in Europe.
ichigo kurosaki
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Funky Papa said:
I mentioned this before and it's funny that not many more people realised this.
Sony has been building the PlayStation brand since 1995. The PSone established itself as the platform of choice for most gamers, proving wrong all the people who claimed it was doomed (that is, mostly everybody) trying to fight against the two colossus in the industry, Sega and Nintendo. But the system got good games and great marketing campaigns and that showed in the results.
After the success of this system and its successor, people know that if they buy a PlayStation they're going to get everything they're looking for in a console. They trust the brand as until now it has delivered most things promised and people don't forget that.
That's why PS3 doesn't even need advertising, its name says it all.
But what about the Xbox? The Xbox wasn't well marketed, nobody really cared about the system so there was no precedent to back up Xbox360's launch. They had to start from zero. But this time around the console's marketing is just as bad as Xbox's. Or even worse. That can't be good.
My prediction for Europe:
#1 PS3 (if they drop the price soon enough, else beware Nintendo's watching!)
#2 Wii (NDS effect part 2? If they manage that with a low price point they may give Sony a hard time)
#3 Xbox360 ('the shooters machine,' like playstation but not playstation...)
ichigo kurosaki
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Shiggy said:
Better marketing, more popular brand gaming-wise (and with deeeeep handheld expertise), known+loved franchises, innovative gameplay... need more reasons?
Don't compare the PS2-Xbox situation with the PSP-DS situation... the Xbox was unsuccessful, the PSP is less successful than the DS. Plus the PSP and the DS are very different platforms while the Xbox was like a PS2 clone (I mean it pursued the same type of market with the same type of games and stuff).
No, it was a self described 3rd pillar. More like Virtual Boy or Pokemon Mini before it. It's killer app was a puppy simulator. At the least, you have to admit DS wasn't exactly Game Boy/Pokemon versus PlayStation. Actually, DS is outselling any previous Game Boy in the region, all in the face of a handheld PlayStation with console level visuals, media functions out the wazoo, onlinegaming from day one and a software library boasting games like GTA, FIFA, PES, NFS, MGS, RR, Tekken and other established PlayStation blockbusters, many of them exclusively even.alterego said:
I'm still shocked that even in Sonyland proper (the UK) PSP still can't manage to outsell DS. The UK hates Nintendo, they've never had a number one platform in any competitive market over there.
alterego said:
Well, the DS is a newcomer, correct. As it's not the successor of the GameBoy Advance, you have to say it, they don't even share the same brand name.
@ichigo kurosaki
You're right, I just wanted to point out that the brand name doesn't have to say anything. Portable music players were often called Walkman, even though they weren't from Sony. The Nintendo DS is called "Game Boy" in the famous "Dr. House" series (German version).
ichigo kurosaki
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Shiggy said:
Yeah, I recall that episode. I reckon that in the Spanish dub it was called "Game Boy" as well. And some people call "PlayStation" anything gaming-related you throw at them, as a generic term just like "Nintendo" was used in the past.
Here's their last non-Game Boy handheld...Second said:
Two years ago, would anyone have guessed that what's essentially a handheld N64 with a second touch screen & microphone, who's killer app is a puppy simulator, would've steamrolled what's essentially a handheld PS2, who's killer app is a console level, exclusive GTA?
Majmun
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jarrod said:Here's their last non-Game Boy handheld...
Two years ago, would anyone have guessed that what's essentially a handheld N64 with a second touch screen & microphone, who's killer app is a puppy simulator, would've steamrolled what's essentially a handheld PS2, who's killer app is a console level, exclusive GTA?
That thing didn't get new Mario, Zelda or Mario Kart games, or other new Nintendo franchises. And the DS does.
DS isn't a whole different formula. The different name and touchscreen doesn't change the fact that it's just another new Nintendo handheld.
And all Nintendo console were namend differently. And they weren't newcomers.
Majmun
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Shiggy said:
DS = handheld
Nintendo made a lot of handhelds before.
DS is not a newcomer.
Not so hard to understand. If Nintendo started to make TV's or dildo's for what I can care. Then they would be considered newcomers to that division. Because they never made those things before... (as far as I know)
Second said:
The DS wasn't successful with Mario 64 DS. The real success and the shortages came with Nintendogs. And DS still didn't get a new Zelda
Well, it is. The GCN wasn't successful although it had all your games...
The consoles all used the same formula, didn't feature real innovations in interface.
Majmun
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Shiggy said:The DS wasn't successful with Mario 64 DS. The real success and the shortages came with Nintendogs. And DS still didn't get a new Zelda
Well, it is. The GCN wasn't successful although it had all your games...
The consoles all used the same formula, didn't feature real innovations in interface.
So Nintendo Wii will also be a newcomer pretty soon?
Considering the Wii is also different when you compare it with other N consoles... :/
monkeymagic
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LOL @ yet another thread derailed by DS vs PSP :lol
The problem with attributing DS success to "Nintendo", is that what's helped differentiate and drive the platform isn't what sold previous Nintendo handhelds. Games like Nintendogs and Brain Training aren't what sold Game Boy... in the most basic sense, DS is really pushing new ground. Which is basically the opposite of Sony's PSP strategy, which was to deliver a handheld PS2, bring it established PS franchises, and coast along on those merits.
PSP is less of a "newcomer" than DS in most respects, arbitrary market divisions be damned.
PSP is less of a "newcomer" than DS in most respects, arbitrary market divisions be damned.
open_mouth_
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360 -> 50 mil worldwide by 2011.
I'll stand by that, despite the slow start out of the gates. Microsoft is doing too many things right (and some wrong) to not improve on Xbox's sales by a significant margin. The year head-start, the price advantage, the XBL advantage, strong software support, etc. The early launch in Japan with weak software and weak advertising was idiotic and the Euro marketing has been crap so far as well, but it's not too late to improve things.
I think in Europe, the Xbox's life was way too short and people remember that, so they want solid proof this time that Microsoft is really committed before joining the party, so to speak. They also remember the quick price drops last time, so there's probably a bunch of people thinking it's going to happen again. The soccer exclusivity was a brilliant move, but they can't stop there. They have to position 360 as a cheaper, yet viable alternative to the hard-to-find PS3 this holiday season. They *can* certainly achieve this, but they've gotta be smarter about it.
In Japan, it's not over for 360 yet either, imo. They can still carve out a respectable niche for the hardcore and at least provide a platform for some quirky japanese games and give more japanese developers a reason to bring their games over so it can spread to a wider western audience. XBL should help as well, especially with games like Lumines and Karaoke Revolution (where downloadable content makes sense).
I'll stand by that, despite the slow start out of the gates. Microsoft is doing too many things right (and some wrong) to not improve on Xbox's sales by a significant margin. The year head-start, the price advantage, the XBL advantage, strong software support, etc. The early launch in Japan with weak software and weak advertising was idiotic and the Euro marketing has been crap so far as well, but it's not too late to improve things.
I think in Europe, the Xbox's life was way too short and people remember that, so they want solid proof this time that Microsoft is really committed before joining the party, so to speak. They also remember the quick price drops last time, so there's probably a bunch of people thinking it's going to happen again. The soccer exclusivity was a brilliant move, but they can't stop there. They have to position 360 as a cheaper, yet viable alternative to the hard-to-find PS3 this holiday season. They *can* certainly achieve this, but they've gotta be smarter about it.
In Japan, it's not over for 360 yet either, imo. They can still carve out a respectable niche for the hardcore and at least provide a platform for some quirky japanese games and give more japanese developers a reason to bring their games over so it can spread to a wider western audience. XBL should help as well, especially with games like Lumines and Karaoke Revolution (where downloadable content makes sense).
My Arms Your Hearse
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When Blue Dragon bombs and everyone just buys soccer on PS2 in Europe, are you going to reconsider?
50 million units is far more substantial than "significantly better." It's right at a 100% increase. In fact, to do this the way things are looking, 360 would have to do better in NA than PS2 did (40 million sales). Excuse me for being skeptical.
50 million units is far more substantial than "significantly better." It's right at a 100% increase. In fact, to do this the way things are looking, 360 would have to do better in NA than PS2 did (40 million sales). Excuse me for being skeptical.
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My Arms Your Hearse said:
your skepticism is justifiable, although shortsighted, imo. Anyone can look at last generation and then the last 8-9 months with 360 and say, "oh well, nice try, 3rd place and ~30 million max". That could very well happen, but that's probably the worst case scenario. There are too many variables at this point and *lots* of advantages the 360 has over the Xbox that I'm not willing to ignore.
What, you wouldn't have? It's not such a departure from the norm in the handheld space as you'd like to portray it here. Based on the tech curve Nintendo established with previous handhelds, N64 level tech was expected next step and the addition of a second touch screen and microphone didn't take away the basic gamepad controls everyone was familiar with from GBA. Touch screen and mic are not exotic technologies, esp. in the portable space, and since they only supplement the familiar this is hardly a significant departure. And the software that's the most overwhelmingly successful is the same software that had been on the GBA and prior - Nintendo software. The more things change, the more they stay the same, as the saying goes.jarrod said: