Bearillusion
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Die Squirrel Die said:
To people in the US the price of the PS3 is perceived as a barrier while the rest of the world sees it as business as usual. How many times does this have to be repeated?
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European hardware sales for Xbox 360= ~18,000 units/week.....can this be right??
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To people in the US the price of the PS3 is perceived as a barrier while the rest of the world sees it as business as usual. How many times does this have to be repeated?
krypt0nian
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1 year football exclusive will fix this right up.
Speevy said:
In my little utopia, Nintendo would take 1st everywhere. As I get older, I start to see what I miss in gaming.
I'm getting tired of how serious and realistic games are getting. I still enjoy them, but I just don't get excited about them as much as I used to. Games became a presentation of a development teams technical prowess rather than ability to deliver good gameplay.
Look at XBLA. The games graphics are subbpar compared to the full-priced games, yet they get so many downloads.
I think people are starying back to more simplistic fun games than the huge blockbuster shooters and Nintendo is going to deliver on that.
Die Squirrel Die
Member
Bearillusion said:
I reiterate, I meant in comparison to the 360.
I don't know what is up with me tonight, I keep missing out details in my posts.
Bearillusion
Banned
Die Squirrel Die said:
Yeah sorry after I posted I thought you may have meant that.
So far, the 360 has been an overall disaster. The early launch has really hurt them, but they still have time to sort things out. The system still has a decent chance to be leader in the US, but very little chance worldwide.
I think there is still a decent chance that the PS3 won't be the market leader this gen, but it'll take a combination of Sony screwing up (launch, price, blu ray, delays, etc...), MS getting its act together, and Wii being a quick/strong success.
I think we'd almost all agree that we expect the PS3 to lose marketshare next gen. I've noticed that many of our Xbox-loving friends like to assume that that marketshare will automatically go to the 360. In all likelihood, anything Sony losses will probably be split fairly evenly between Nintendo and MS. The two systems cater to two different audiences that both thrived on the PS2.
I have a feeling that the next-gen "winner" won't be crowned by hardware but by software sales.
I think there is still a decent chance that the PS3 won't be the market leader this gen, but it'll take a combination of Sony screwing up (launch, price, blu ray, delays, etc...), MS getting its act together, and Wii being a quick/strong success.
I think we'd almost all agree that we expect the PS3 to lose marketshare next gen. I've noticed that many of our Xbox-loving friends like to assume that that marketshare will automatically go to the 360. In all likelihood, anything Sony losses will probably be split fairly evenly between Nintendo and MS. The two systems cater to two different audiences that both thrived on the PS2.
I have a feeling that the next-gen "winner" won't be crowned by hardware but by software sales.
BTW, does anyone else think that the poor sales of the X360 outside of the US have something to do with the general anti-US and anti-Bush sentiment that is pervasive in the world right now? And not to mention Microsoft's continuing legal problems in Europe.
Factoring all that in, the average European probably won't have much love for an American made Microsoft console.
Factoring all that in, the average European probably won't have much love for an American made Microsoft console.
I've said this about 17 times on this board, but AGAIN:
No one publishes European weekly tracking figures for Europe. THERE ARE NO SUCH NUMBERS.
I don't know what the number cited in this interview was, it's probably a wildly off-base extrapolation from Microsoft's last shipment figures.
Which is not to say 360 sales are not lousy in Europe, because they are.
No one publishes European weekly tracking figures for Europe. THERE ARE NO SUCH NUMBERS.
I don't know what the number cited in this interview was, it's probably a wildly off-base extrapolation from Microsoft's last shipment figures.
Which is not to say 360 sales are not lousy in Europe, because they are.
Sgt. Killjoy
Member
Rhindle said:
hell yea, keep that bs in check
If the responses from Gametrailers.com interview of European gamers are any indication, MS has a TON of work to do in Europe:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=12786
I said wow.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=12786
I said wow.
monkeymagic
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jimbo said:
We have to remember the context.
The original XBox was far from a success here in Europe so comparing it to that and saying 'it is doing just as well' really isn't saying much.
2 'next gen' exclusive soccer games won't do anything for X360 in Europe. This was said in the massive PES/Konami threads but the XDF refused to accept it and as someone said earlier two next gen exclusive FIFA games hasn't done squat for it so far.
While many would like to dismiss the power of the brand Sony has been building for the past 10 years with their sheer dominance of 3 different territories those things don't happen by accident - just ask MS and all the problems they're having.
As such, you can expect PS3 in Europe to fly off the shelves whatever the price.
Clearing 10 million shipped by the end of the year shouldn't be a problem. They were at 5 million as of June 30. Three million units to North America in the second half of the year should be feasible, and 1-1.5 million to Europe, the rest elsewhere.---- said:
I think sales on par with Xbox1 during the next year or two is the best they can hope for in Europe. PS3 sales will be a fraction of PS2 sales during the equivalent period, probably a rather small fraction.
soundwave05
Member
Faizal said:
Correct, although really this was more due to Nintendo being very sloppy in Europe more than anything.
Certainly the NES had way more software and a better library than what Sega could possibly offer.
monkeymagic
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Rhindle said:
Not really.
If you expect X360 sales to continue at 18,000 a week then that would make it almost 20% of current PS2 sales.
PS3 will at the very least match that but I'm expecting it to at least double it.
20-40% is not a small fraction and that's ignoring launch units.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Mojovonio said:
:lol
Hyperbole x 2.
I guess you haven't seen the Stranglehold youtube video yet.
My Arms Your Hearse
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---- said:
Because "shipped" figures don't necessarily mean much. PSP has shipped as many/more units than DS, though DS has clearly outsold it. At the time of the infamous "5 million sold" (shipped) the best case scenario had 3 million sold worldwide, with 2 million sitting on shelves/in transit.
My Arms Your Hearse
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I agree with Mojo, in a way. While I'm a big proponent of advancing graphics (though I wouldn't consider myself a graphics whore... only in a few genres), I'm mostly turned off by games that strive for a realistic look. I vastly prefer games that have a stylistic or fantastic approach to visuals.
My Arms Your Hearse
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---- said:
I would assume at least 3 million of those shipped are to N.A, if not more. They've drastically reduced their shipments to Europe, according to some reports that came out the same time of the shipment announcement.
As for the sales breakdown, something like...
A bit more than 2 million in NA
~1 million in Europe (or so, hard to tell)
Japan - doesn't even register
And Rhindle is saying that shipments for the 2nd half of the year would mirror this, but if Xbox 360 is not selling in EU then how will they get retailers to buy an additional 1-1.5 million units?Dalthien said:
It means something. I really don't think MS could ship 10 million consoles to retailers if the system was only selling well in America. Like I said the system is selling okay here, but it's not selling that well. I think there's only like 2-2.5 million sold in the US.My Arms Your Hearse said:
PSP on the otherhand sells well in most parts of the world so it is believable that the retail could absorb a lot of shipments.
So if 1.3 million have already been shipped to Europe as of June and an additional 1-1.5 million will be shipped this year you have to figure there will be about 2.5 million Xbox 360's in Europe this year.
I guess even though the 18K a week figure implies only about 1 million being sold per year the truth is that a huge portion of video game hardware sales take place during the last couple of months of the calendar year.
I guess even though the 18K a week figure implies only about 1 million being sold per year the truth is that a huge portion of video game hardware sales take place during the last couple of months of the calendar year.
Actually the days have been growing shorter since June 21st. I wish they were growing longer.m0dus said:
Moderation Unlimited
Banned
Chiggs said:
I'm calling it now.
Europe this upcoming generation:
1.Wii
2.PS3
3.X360
USA this upcoming generation:
1.PS3 (probably)
2.X360
3.Wii
Japan this upcoming generation:
1.Wii
2.PS3
3.X360
Illuminati
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See I told you guys the PC is going to win the console wars.Second said:
Moderation Unlimited said:
I think that the order will be the same as last generation, but that Wii will be a stronger 2nd place in Japan, and Xbox 360 will be a stronger 2nd place in NA/EU, but only because it launched a year early instead of a year late.
The Xbox 360 is starting with a 2 million headstart in Europe instead of 2 million behind like Xbox. Even if they sell at exactly the same rate as the original Xbox they will gain some marketshare in Europe this generation. Wii is a complete wildcard, it could be a huge hit, a spectacular failure, or sell about as well as Gamecube. Hard to predict the reaction to Wii. In terms of marketshare PS3 has the price working against it and not having a years headstart on the competition like PS2. I think Sony will lose some marketshare, but not enough for Nintendo or Microsoft to pull into 1st in any territory.
MiamiWesker
Member
Mrbob said:
Holy shit that is crazy, the 360 might as well not exist there :lol
supermackem
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People who think the price is normal or ok in europe for the ps3 is having a serious joke. Now way in earth is £425 normal, there is alot of people unhappy with the price tag. The 360 seems to be doing very well in the uk.
supermackem
Banned
Lol wow 5 people dont like x360 in germany wow gaf scores another win what a sad bunch you lot are.
You're right though, 360 will probably do better.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Moderation Unlimited said:
So basically the PS3 wins.
360 is too expensive to appeal to anyone but the hardcore in Europe right now, its a very price sensitive market as we saw with Xbox, people see much more value in a £110 PS2 (rightly so with all thats available).
In the UK at least, the xbox brand is strong, its a household name for sure. But it wont take off until the price & software is right. It might take the PS3 coming at £425 for people to see what a 'bargin' the 360 is.
Its never gonna beat PS3 in Europe, but i would be supprised if they werent closer than last time.
In the UK at least, the xbox brand is strong, its a household name for sure. But it wont take off until the price & software is right. It might take the PS3 coming at £425 for people to see what a 'bargin' the 360 is.
Its never gonna beat PS3 in Europe, but i would be supprised if they werent closer than last time.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
supermackem said:
:lol :lol
Yeah no kidding. That short video really doesn't prove much either way.