RT is full blown state-controlled propaganda. The free press over there has been suppressed through murder and intimidation. Western reporters on the ground are saying that those regions were largely evacuated of their civilian populations and that barely anyone was around for the fireworks "celebration." All theater.
Basically yeah, but I really don't think Ukraine is done. I think Putin is going to be stuck having to settle for the parts that he's already taken and maybe a little bit extra. And that's a big maybe. He just doesn't have the forces required to take all of Ukraine and keep it.
My jaw actually dropped when I saw the clip of the "celebration". I mean it's one thing to hear about all the badly staged propaganda that places like Russia and China use against their citizens, but it was a whole other thing to see it basically live on American TV.
That would imply that China wasn't ACUTELY aware that the west has the attention span and memory of a fly.
But you also have to manager propaganda on forums and such, for all we know IDKFA is a russian plant intending to intentionally place the narrative of "russia good guy?"
In some cases maybe but we are acutely aware of exactly what's happening right now in Ukraine. The governments of the world have been literally telling us that it was going to happen for weeks now. And it basically happened exactly as they predicted. And now with all of the news coming out of the Kremlin today it looks like Putin is ready to secure the rest of the areas that he declared to be independent.
First step would be to show them what they believe as true is wrong with good examples and if they still continue their bs ways then mute them or report?
Oh I was just going to suggest making them watch Red Dawn and seeing who they root for.
I think Poland is strong enough to hold the ground and wait for sanctions to cripple Russia, especially if they have plenty warning of the attack and can activate their nearly 2 million strong reserve force. But yeah, they can't invade Russia, but they could HODL indefinitely while being funneled supplies. This is all a moot point because Poland would be defended by NATO.
They're literally maniacs
Where would you like to draw the line? When a country with nukes decides they want to take over a NATO country? When they want to take over the U.S.? Just let them do it..."to have some hope of not getting nuked in WW3."
Wtf, who wants a full fledged war over Ukraine. There’s no winners. I’m sorry but if I have to sacrifice Ukraine to have some hope of not getting nuked in WW3, so be it.
You joke but that would have been an AWESOME way for some Ukrainian indie/state sponsored filmmakers to make a movie that would speak to American heartstrings.Oh I was just going to suggest making them watch Red Dawn and seeing who they root for.
I doubt anything more is coming, but I'm often wrong. Watch the clip I posted - dude literally spilled the plan to also integrate both regions into Russia. Just surprised that there was no resistense of any sort and EU associate to press refusing to even call it an invasion.
So Russian propaganda made you question if they are the bad guys? WTF?
Poland’s military is pathetic, last week a secret report by the Polish MoD was revealed - barely 30% of all units are in full combat readiness. Right now Poland doesn’t have a single active military ship (ZERO) as well as ZERO submarines. Basically Polish navy doesn’t exist.
You want the honest short of it? Putin considers the fall of the Soviet Union and the breaking up of it's territories to be unfair and as a result believes they rightfully belong to the "Russian Empire".
Ukraine was promised a NATO membership, or at least consideration.
Poland wouldn't, but NATO sure as hell would.
Well more has to come. The two areas that declared independence do not actually control all of the land that they laid claim to. So if Russia intends to actually enforce it's own declaration to aid and protect these regions Russian forces have to secure those areas. Which would put them directly across from the Ukrainian military.
For how things transpired so far it prob wouldn't be too far fetched to expect Ukraine to give up those two regions without any fight.
They have already said they wouldn't.
Hmm on paper the Poles seem much more capable but I guess if they have been like the rest of Europe and neglecting their armed forces I guess they could be fucked. But I still think that provided enough warning of an invasion calling up over a million in reserves would hamper anything Russia could throw at them. But we shall see in Ukraine.
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Thank god Cardi B has finally weighed in.
Cardi B says she’s ‘not really’ on NATO or Russia’s side amid Ukraine crisis
Cardi B says she’s “really not” on either Russia or NATO’s side after making comments that war “should be the last thing” world leaders should be worrying about amid the crisis in Ukraine…
Putin will have to buy his American sneakers from Ebay scalpers now. God help us all.
If you promise security for giving up nukes… then they get invaded. No one else will give up nukes.
Demonstrates better reasoning than Candace Owens.Thank god Cardi B has finally weighed in.
Cardi B says she’s ‘not really’ on NATO or Russia’s side amid Ukraine crisis
Cardi B says she’s “really not” on either Russia or NATO’s side after making comments that war “should be the last thing” world leaders should be worrying about amid the crisis in Ukraine…
Literally none of that excuses anything that Russia has done.Not to defend Putin, but I think people are seriously underestimating the historic and diplomatic burden of the situation. Here are some important key factors that have provoked Russia's encroachment:
1) NATO Eastward Expansion
Russia has been very skeptical of NATO's progressive eastward expansion. The first one happened in 1999, when Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary joined the NATO. In 2004, the Baltic states followed and while the Sovjets made it clear that they did not approve of this, none of these states were close to their borders. Russia was willing to live with it until the Bukarest summit, when NATO annexed the Ukraine. In 2008, Russia considered this a direct threat to their sovereignty. The NATO Eastward Expansion as driven forward by the West in a very foolish, hasty and callous way.
2) Ukraine's ethnic composition
As we can see, East Ukraine is predominantly Russian. From a Russian point of view it could be argued that they are merely seeking to repatriate their population, which is heavily promoted by the recently formed sovereign republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. In a sense, the Russians might feel about this like West-Germany reannexing the East-Germany. Now the West claims that the Donbas referendum was faulty, but Russia recognized its legitimacy for obvious reasons.
3) Rising anti-EU sentiment
The Ukraine is a deeply divided country, between the pro-European west and the pro-Russian east. I mena, just look at these surveys:
A majority of Eastern Ukrainians neither want to join the EU, nor do they wish for their country to join the NATO. Ukraine's political regime and the West did almost nothing to attenuate that situation over the last decade and this is what ultimately happens if you let theses divisions fester and grow.
4) Europe's dependence on Russian gas
Germany in particular has been warned about its precarious dependence on Russian gas and how it might embolden the eastern bloc. Not much was done about it though and halting Nord Stream 2 is only spurring Putin on. The reaction is certainly understandable, Germany wants to show a strong hand, but it might end up only in marking the point of no return for Russia.
5) No strong European leaders
Seriously, who do we Europeans have to negotiate with Putin? Scholz? Marcon? Frikkin' Ursula von der Leyen? None of them are adapted to the Hobbesian worldview that represents Russia's foreign policy and Putin's leviathanic political hegemony.
It's a truly horrible and f*cked up situation.
Not long ago I came across this European peace clock:
It was reading 76 years, 1 month 1 day and 18 hours. It saddens me greatly that we might have to reset it now
Havent kept track. What are they?
It doesn't justify it, but it's about context at least. NATO's expansion was definitely a little arrogant. It's not saying that Putin has a right to anything, but just understanding that the balance of power had continually shifted away from Russian interests for years, and shifted much further than initially envisioned in NATO's creation. It's more helpful to try and make some sense of the motivations of each side, rather than just call them maniacs.
