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NPD September 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Madden, Fixed 3DS Minimum]

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Sho_Nuff82

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lunchwithyuzo said:
Same audience doesn't mean the same thing with different genres. That's why COD and AssCreed don't cannibalize each other every year.[QUOTE/]

Battlefield is a direct competitor to Modern Warfare, and it became the second best selling FPS of the generation launching a month before MW3. Uncharted 3 was also the best selling game in the Uncharted series. If anything, CoD promotes the sales of other shooters, because it is a big system seller and new PS360 owners want similar games.


Even Takao knows better than to predict a 10k baseline for Wii next year. To put things in perspective, PSP just now hit those sorts of figures and that platform's been essentially dead in the US for going on 4 years. Let me know when you've left crazy town.
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There is nothing in the pipeline, Nintendo won't be advertising it, and they certainly won't price drop before Q2. I could see it dipping to 50k/month by March.
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Plinko said:
I get that, but it's not a justified comparison. Comparing PS3 to PS2 was justified--it released in a market of 3 consoles competing for market share, just like the PS2 did. There was nothing like today's app market competing for console marketshare at the time--just Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo's consoles competing against each other.

The 3DS now competes with the ever-popular iOS/tablet/smartphone market which is huge. That wasn't there for DS.
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Sure, but the PS3 was the only console at $599, giving it a big disadvantage compared to the other competitors. Similar to the dedicated handheld systems now which have a disadvantage due to all the phones and tablets.

But i agree that the market has changed. I also see what you mean and i agree that expectations should be lower now than before. I think it is fair to do a comparison anyway though, since it shows how the market has changed. Just like before, it showed how the PS3 sold much less than the PS2 (but here the price was the factor instead of phones and tablets).
 
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lunchwithyuzo

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Battlefield is a direct competitor to Modern Warfare, and it became the second best selling FPS of the generation launching a month before MW3. Uncharted 3 was also the best selling game in the Uncharted series. If anything, CoD promotes the sales of other shooters, because it is a big system seller and new PS360 owners want similar games.
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Genre kings can certainly promote clones (look at the success of God Eater or Phantasy Star on PSP), but I don't think it's quite the same thing with Halo. Battlefield was a growing brand on the rise, and very carefully positioned around COD to capitalize on that audience in every concievable way, it's more in line with that sort of coattail riding.

Uncharted isn't a fps, and it's not a game whose longevity was driven by mutilplayer.


Sho_Nuff82 said:
There is nothing in the pipeline, Nintendo won't be advertising it, and they certainly won't price drop before Q2. I could see it dipping to 50k/month by March.
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I easily see that. There's a lot Nintendo could do to promote Wii as a budget console (drop to $99, release new colors, expand the Selects line, etc) but this is Nintendo, so I'm not holding my breath. They'll probably just drop to $99 next fall to clear stock and keep selling NSMB and Mario Kart for $50.
 
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OldJadedGamer

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Rhazer Fusion said:
Anyone celebrating no COD on the list must of forgot that BO2 is coming out next month. That will probably dominate for another 2 years or so.
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Was MW2 gone from the charts 2 month before BLOPS?

allan-bh said:
I believe Halo 4 will be launch record for the series and will push some hardware.

And Reach push hardware sales too.
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We don't know how much of an effect Bungie leaving the series will have.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Looking at some of the releases of this year, I wonder if Take-Two is less happy with Max Payne 3 (may have been able to speed up GTA V release so huge opportunity cost, giant monetary costs, ton of time in development, still sold OK though probably lost money) or Spec Ops (ton of development, probably a decent budget, didn't seem to sell at all). I wonder if Borderlands 2 can make up for those two this year for Take-Two as well...
 
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nuckles87

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3DS sales are solid imo. Last year the 3DS just had a massive price cut. While it did have a hardware revision in August, it wasn't the typical kind of hardware revision that usually drives sales. It wasn't significantly smaller or provide a brighter screen or massively more battery life. It was just a larger, more expensive 3DS. The DSi XL didn't have much of an effect on the original DS's sales when it was first released either. I think it may simply be a case of people not being terribly interested in spending more money on a larger portable.
 
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zroid

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slit said:
Well at least you never have to worry about seeing it on sale a week later after already paying full price.
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I wouldn't mind that actually, because I could just get price protection. ;)

If it's 1 month after though, that really grinds my socks.
 
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Mihael Mello Keehl

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Mileena said:
Nintendo prices never fail to blow my mind :lol
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Its a mario game. I had 2 mario 64 DS one file was corrupted and traded it to gamestop and got 26$ for that old ass game. I attempted to trade in gears 3 and they said it was only worth 8$ LOL! Fuck that. Nintendo titles no doubt have longevity. I dont understand how a year old game was only worth 8$ about 6 months after its release and 8 year old game still high. It blows my mind. Is gears of war not of value? It sold what 8 million on 360 alone as an exclusive. How is that not value?
 
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test_account

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Mihael Mello Keehl said:
Its a mario game. I had 2 mario 64 DS one file was corrupted and traded it to gamestop and got 26$ for that old ass game. I attempted to trade in gears 3 and they said it was only worth 8$ LOL! Fuck that. Nintendo titles no doubt have longevity. I dont understand how a year old game was only worth 8$ about 6 months after its release and 8 year old game still high. It blows my mind. Is gears of war not of value? It sold what 8 million on 360 alone as an exclusive. How is that not value?
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Supply and demand. If "everyone" already owns the game, it is a less chance to get a higher price when reselling the game. It also depends on how many of the owners who want to keep their copy. Gamestop usually pay low amounts compared to what you get at a private sale however (understandable, since Gamestop tries to resell it again, so they need to make money on it).
 
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donny2112

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Zeer0id said:
Where are people even buying SM64 DS? I haven't seen that game in stores for years.
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It's because you haven't been looking. (Edit: Oh, it's a Canada thing. Not sure there, then.) Still there, yep. 3DS launch games still on store shelves 8 years later? Doubtful. Just clearing out the unsold stock of them now, a year later. :lol

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OldJadedGamer said:
We don't know how much of an effect Bungie leaving the series will have.
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I thought a lot of the 343 guys were ex-Bungie? Makes me think it has a shot to standup to the other main entries, at least.
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Looking at some of the releases of this year, I wonder if Take-Two is less happy with Max Payne 3 (may have been able to speed up GTA V release so huge opportunity cost, giant monetary costs, ton of time in development, still sold OK though probably lost money) or Spec Ops (ton of development, probably a decent budget, didn't seem to sell at all). I wonder if Borderlands 2 can make up for those two this year for Take-Two as well...
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If there is one certainty in this industry, it's that Take Two will lose money in a quarter that doesn't have a GTA release. Max Payne 3 was a flop (they expected sales better than LA Noire), Spec Ops even moreso.

OldJadedGamer said:
Was MW2 gone from the charts 2 month before BLOPS?



We don't know how much of an effect Bungie leaving the series will have.
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Probably the same effect that not having Infinity Ward or the Modern Warfare brand effected Black Ops, or Obsidian replacing Bethesda in New Vegas - not much.

The game could be an RE6-level disaster and it will still sell as much as 3/Reach the first month.
 
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Miles X

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lunchwithyuzo said:
So what happened before will automatically happen again (well except magically in 360's case)? I'm still not sure what I'm suppossed to "admit" to, how about you admit 10k baseline was a pretty clearly laughable prediction?
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Maybe English isn't your first language. Let me word it differently. This time last year when Wii was doing 240k, what would you have said if someone told you in 12 months time Wii would be doing 60k a month? Is that clear enough?

And you still don't get what I mean by my previous comment about 360 outselling the wii this xmas by the same rate as it did last year? Seriously how simple do you need things explained to you.


pvpness said:
Seems like nobody really cares at this point.
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I'm sure MS care, they gloat about other miniscule stuff.
 
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metalslimer

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Why do we have to compare the 3DS to the DS? Why not compare it even to the GBA? I think people really have forgotten how fast the GBA was selling.
 
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Saint Gregory

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akilshohen said:
Bounce a basketball to a beat. Kind of like Guitar Hero's interface with a basketball as the input. Requires a ton of space.

I saw Target put it on clearance within a week.
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Forget about the space issue, I live in a condo and my downstairs neighbors would litterally shoot me through the floor if I even thought about buying something like this. What a horrible idea for an indoor game.
frankie_baby said:
Ouch, lol

Have any kinect games this year actually been a success?
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Didn't Kinect Star Wars do OK?
 
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metalslimer

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Speaking of Kinect, is the thing even still doing well? I remember MS was mentioning how it was shattering records for a couple of months and pretty much stopped talking about it. It seems like it had a huge collapse in terms of interest, which makes sense as the software just isn't there at all
 
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donny2112

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Dynopia said:
Maybe English isn't your first language. Let me word it differently. This time last year when Wii was doing 240k, what would you have said if someone told you in 12 months time Wii would be doing 60k a month? Is that clear enough?
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While I get your point, would you have looked at 360's ~440K last year and said it'd sell 270K this year? PS3's 373K to whatever it sold this year?

The market is in bad shape, and 360 is not immune to it. 360 and Wii and PS3 all need to cut price. Would add 3DS, too, but it should wait until next year to cut it again.

metalslimer said:
Speaking of Kinect, is the thing even still doing well? I remember MS was mentioning how it was shattering records for a couple of months and pretty much stopped talking about it.
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Microsoft didn't put much in the way of standalone systems for months, and then crowed how Kinect, including the bundles (ha, ha, ha), were just lighting the charts on fire. It was still popular last Christmas as a lot of Black Friday shoppers were still looking for Kinect games like the first Just Dance on 360 (i.e. JD3). This Black Friday, we'll see, though.
 
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Saint Gregory

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frankie_baby said:
That was this year?
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April 3rd.

I know, it seems like ages ago.
metalslimer said:
Speaking of Kinect, is the thing even still doing well? I remember MS was mentioning how it was shattering records for a couple of months and pretty much stopped talking about it. It seems like it had a huge collapse in terms of interest, which makes sense as the software just isn't there at all
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It's probably the best selling optional controller ever behind the Wii Balance Board but it clearly hasn't had anything close to the cultural or market impact that the BB and other Wii accessories had.

I'm actually a little surprised that Microsoft is still pushing forward with it for the next Xbox but they did invest heavily into bringing it to the market.
 
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grimshawish

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metalslimer said:
Speaking of Kinect, is the thing even still doing well? I remember MS was mentioning how it was shattering records for a couple of months and pretty much stopped talking about it. It seems like it had a huge collapse in terms of interest, which makes sense as the software just isn't there at all
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I've just assumed for a while now its been dead.
 
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Miles X

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donny2112 said:
While I get your point, would you have looked at 360's ~440K last year and said it'd sell 270K this year? PS3's 373K to whatever it sold this year?

The market is in bad shape, and 360 is not immune to it. 360 and Wii and PS3 all need to cut price. Would add 3DS, too, but it should wait until next year to cut it again.
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360 no way, simply because I expected a price cut last year, since Jan then I knew it'd be down since it got a price cut, and that even that would only keep sales on par.

PS3 had just got a price cut with that 373k had it not?

And yeah they're all in bad shape, but Wii is the worst, being down 70%+ every month more or less.
 
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Saint Gregory

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Skiesofwonder said:
Who sets their Kinect up in a room without carpet?
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There are tons of flaws with the game's idea and it's a shame because all the impressions I read said that it's a fun and well developed game.

I think the real lesson here though is that the peripheral game fad is dead, dead, dead.

In fact I think that there's a direct correlation between the decline of peripheral games and the decline of the Wii.
 
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speculawyer

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A preview for next month's NPD . . .

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
2K Sports today announced franchise record-setting sales of NBA 2K13, the latest iteration in the top-selling and top-rated basketball simulation series*. In its first week of sales, NBA 2K13 sold-through 49 percent more copies than the franchise’s previous fastest-seller, NBA 2K11**. This record-shattering growth is due in part to the expanding global popularity of the NBA 2K brand, which accounted for a 66 percent increase in international sales as compared with NBA 2K11**.

Fans have flocked online to experience NBA 2K13 action with their friends, and the number of online users has more than doubled from last year’s NBA 2K12. In addition, the number of played online games has also grown exponentially, as NBA 2K13 has experienced a 127 percent increase over last year’s totals**.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nba-2k13-sets-franchise-first-120000707.html
 
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