ShockingAlberto
Member
If DmC fails, I wonder who will give Ninja Theory their next big contract.
One would assume no one, but I'm going to say Konami.
One would assume no one, but I'm going to say Konami.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2010 [Update 6: Rock Band 3]
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Sipowicz said:
It's not declining across the board. PS3 and 360 both saw healthy increases. The Wii is really dragging the overall numbers down. If it had flat software sales the industry would be way up. From jvm's article:
Kuroyume said:
I hope we get something from this. I hope it didn't totally bomb. It was on the tail end of Sept so you would think it did something in October. +1 for me in Nov though.
Anyhow stark contrast in what the Wii has done this year with SW compared to last and I say $500 million between it and the 360 that the 360 has secured the unit lead as well. I'm thinking 360 is getting close to 200 million units sold LTD.
Stumpokapow said:
Anecdotally, my friends who own PS3s are the type who buy Japanese games, while my friends who own 360s tend to buy Western games. I don't know how widespread this is, but that's how it is with my friends.
P.S. I know CV was developed by a western developer, but the history of CV is Japanese and it is published by Konami.
jcm said:
yeah, your halo's, call of duty's and your big name sports games will sell. better than ever in fact. even the wii can sell dance games and mario games.
but what else?
this month rock band, enslaved, ea mma, vanquish, castlevania bombed. before that there was mafia 2, guitar hero, kane and lynch etc
times have changed
Sipowicz said:
New Vegas, Medal of Honor, Fable 3. Castlevania didn't bomb, it sold more than Wii Party and Kirby just on the PS3 sku. Times haven't really changed, there have always been good niche games that gaf loves that bomb.
And some of those games DESERVED to bomb. Even Medal of Honor deserved to bomb but didn't from the love of dude-bro shooters and a strong marketing campaign. Why should EA's MMA game sell? The game got okay reviews and there were already two GOOD UFC games released prior to it.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Whoasillymonkey321 said:
This is a hilarious zero-sum wherein we ignore budgets.
ShockingAlberto said:
It was going on the assumption of probably false information that Castlevania's budget wasn't as high as what it would normally be. But yeah i read it on gaf so it is probably false but i didn't feel like checking sources. STILL i'd hardly call ~200k sales across both platforms to be a "bomb" but then again people just love to use the word bomba and who am i to get in the way of fun?
A better example would be:
" Things could be worse, at least it outsold Alan Wake and didn't take 5 years to develop"
Pureauthor
Member
Hopefully this inspires Konami to go back to budget Castlevanias where presumably they turn a modest but steady profit.
boiled goose
good with gravy
i honestly third parties have really messed up this gen.
They did not create a strong ecosystem for their games on wii and they oversaturated other markets with the same types of games. (and high budget ones no less)
They probably have a much effective userbase to sell their games to this gen.
Obviously the Wii-ps360 discrepancy in both power and appeal didnt help...
it is interesting though how the 360 helped keep the ps3 alive during the wii rise. Ps3 rode on 360's back and got a lot of solid games with a very small and slowly growing userbase in order to spread the costs of HD development. After the wii took first place, the combined ps360 userbase partly kept the wii from becoming the viable platform for big games. In essence, the ps3 paid back the favor.
now that things have settled and the trends for the rest of the gen have been pretty much established it is amazing to see how crazy this gen was. (and now we can also see the weird problems it created for a lot of devs) The lost planet 2 dont selll, but neither do the Wii party's. Everyone except the CODs and Marios of the world are kinda screwed.
They did not create a strong ecosystem for their games on wii and they oversaturated other markets with the same types of games. (and high budget ones no less)
They probably have a much effective userbase to sell their games to this gen.
Obviously the Wii-ps360 discrepancy in both power and appeal didnt help...
it is interesting though how the 360 helped keep the ps3 alive during the wii rise. Ps3 rode on 360's back and got a lot of solid games with a very small and slowly growing userbase in order to spread the costs of HD development. After the wii took first place, the combined ps360 userbase partly kept the wii from becoming the viable platform for big games. In essence, the ps3 paid back the favor.
now that things have settled and the trends for the rest of the gen have been pretty much established it is amazing to see how crazy this gen was. (and now we can also see the weird problems it created for a lot of devs) The lost planet 2 dont selll, but neither do the Wii party's. Everyone except the CODs and Marios of the world are kinda screwed.
Lostconfused
Member
But that's the thing. Everyone else isn't screwed. Niche low budget titles can still make money as long as they find their audience.amtentori said:
Sipowicz said:
Whatever. Shitty games, tired genres and unadvertised games don't sell... news at 11.
Halo, CoD, Fable 3, Fallout NV, Mario Galaxy, Starcraft 2, Red Dead Redemption, etc have all sold pretty well. Sequels sell. Great games with a big ad budget sell. The industry seems the same as it ever was.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
wow smackdown bombed only 225k across all platforms?
the honeymoon is over! /gorillamonsoon
the honeymoon is over! /gorillamonsoon
ZombieSupaStar
Member
sillymonkey321 said:
yeah but im wondering if dev across PS3, 360, PS2, WII, PSP with 500k (long term?) sales covers costs, I hope it doesnt! :lol
sillymonkey321 said:
sillymonkey321 said:
I mean you're comparing it to an ever green to be and Kirby.
For it to even mean something you've got to assume the budgets are in the same ballpark or its meaningless.
I mean I'm not sure some big budget AAA dev would be thrilled to do just a bit better than Minecraft during the release month :/
BishopLamont
Banned
It'll be a mini ever green title, sells well enough, but it won't carry the system for too long.Vinci said:
Mael said:
It might be the difference between being unhappy and closing the studio down though. I have a hard time calling a game a "bomb" when it starts off at 200k especially next to other similarly budgeted games ( possibly) like Enslaved and Vanquish that sell a fraction of that. Of course sales expectations come into play but then you also have to balance false expectations vs. realistic expectations. Activision saying they want Blur to be the call of duty of racing games or Capcom wanting Lost Planet 2 to sell 4 or so million copies, and the fact that these publishers are so freaking stupid that they are constantly over producing games and dumping them all in the same month, meh /rage.
Blast Processing
Member
charsace said:
Not sure if serious...
sillymonkey321 said:
Don't make any mistake, nothing would please me more than Castlevania doing great, actually I have no idea how it performed.
Still I was just calling you out on the comparison with 2 way lower budgets Wii games.
And in the end it's the free market out there, if they can't provide goods to satisfy people they get the cut, it sucks but that's how it is.
Luckily though they won't get cut and can learn from their mistakes.
BishopLamont
Banned
That's a more accurate way of conveying my own thoughts. I agree.Vinci said:
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Curufinwe said:
I don't see why not. Every online review and thread said the PS3 version was the one to get. It had a better framerate and came on one disc. I switched my order over the PS3 version based on all these reviews. And before someone says "the average consumer doesn't read about these comparisons or care", let me say this: The average consumer aren't the ones buying games like CV. The purchasers are well-informed and connected fans.
jling84 said:
And yet games like Bayonetta sold more on 360. Why? Because it was widely reported that it was the better version.
I don't know why people don't want to believe this, but many of the people that buy these types of "hardcore" games hang out online and know exactly which version is the one to get. Furthermore, many of them own both consoles, enough so that while it doesn't make a huge difference, it's enough to put one or the other on top.
Zoe
Member
Dr. Zoidberg said:
There was no where near the amount of flak that Bayonetta PS3 received though.
When the differences are much more negligible as with Casltevania, there are people who would still go the 360 version for reasons such as being achievement whores or having man-hands.
Kittonwy said:Will Capcom wise up after seeing how Enslaved sold?
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the problem for Capcom is not the sale numbers , it's the bad fighting systems and game play in all of Ninja Theory games.
ShockingAlberto said:
it's not like Ninja Theory track record ( sales/quality) was any good when Namco and Capcom hired them , they also don't keep good relationships with all of their old publishers ,and for some unknown (magical?) reasons big publishers keep hiring them.
Zoe said:
It was still reported to be a lesser version. The difference between "lesser version," and "crap port" is the realm of fucktarded fanboys and not reasonable people. If I want a game, I'm going to get the better version, whether one is a "crap port" or just slightly lesser for whatever reason.
Dr. Zoidberg said:
I think that was a more different case, as Bayonetta was near unplayable until they patched it. After that it was still a far cry from the 360 version. Many of my friends who prefer the PS3 over the 360 opted to simply not buy the game at all.
I mean honestly there isn't a perception amongst your friends that the PS3 is the system for Japanese-style games, while the 360 is for American games? I'm not saying at all the perception is at all correct (360 has cave shooters, idolm@ster, etc. & ps3 has resistance, infamous, etc). I'm just saying the perception is there and therefore people who are more inclined to buy Japanese games tend to make PS3 their main console, while people more inclined to buy Western games tend to make the 360 their main console.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
Zoe said:
I would agree except I don't think that disc-swapping is a negligible difference. The framerate difference is one thing, and it was even evident if you played both demos, but when I found out that installing the discs did not prevent the need to swap when backtracking, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Add in the fact that many gamers prefer the PS3's pad for games of this type (although not me) and I think there is a clear platform choice unless you are an achievement whore. The X360 version is perfectly fine, but if you can pick either one, why wouldn't you pick the best one?
Now I am sure that there are some people who want "everything Japanese" and want to play their JP-style games on the JP console, but based off of past evidence and games I think this portion of the audience is smaller than those that just want the best version. Obviously this can't be proven so we'll never know for sure.
EDIT - I think the lack of compelling new exclusives on PS3 that month helped many of the 3rd party games sell better there as well.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
The Castlevania ports were equally crap, performance-wise.Zertez said: