Yeah but Sony ain't worried, they just cool like that.i was trying to be optimistic about the vita. i thought there was a chance for a turnaround later next year. e3 convinced me that sony has no future plans for the machine.
it's dead, jim.
MH4 should come next year too, since the success of MH3G and Nintendo's tendency to localise third party games these days, I think a quicker than usual localisation will happen. They've still got plenty of 3DS games in the works too, this year's lineup has been pretty low from Nintendo, they're pretty happy with the main system sellers.Yoshi's New Island isn't this year.
So far for next year, there're those 2, Professor Layton & The Azran Legacy, Mario Golf World Tour, and Bravely Default Flying Fairy.
There's also a good chance that Mario Party gets delayed as well.
Still, they've got a lot of time to announce some new games, even if Super Smash Bros is Q4.
Those important games you mentioned will mostly attract the same demographic segment, Nintendo fans, that already bought a Wii U. I wouldn´t expect a significant improvement in sales. Fascinating post.
i was trying to be optimistic about the vita. i thought there was a chance for a turnaround later next year. e3 convinced me that sony has no future plans for the machine.
it's dead, jim.
Those important games you mentioned will mostly attract the same demographic segment, Nintendo fans, that already bought a Wii U. I wouldn´t expect a significant improvement in sales. Fascinating post.
Yeah but Sony ain't worried, they just cool like that.
Retailers stuck it out with the PSP despite anemic hardware/software sales, mostly the software sales since thats where they make most of the money, even if PSP sales were never this bad. Worse comes to worse it'll just have little presence in the shops, I don't see them simply cutting it off just for the fact that the PS4 will be selling and it won't hurt to dedicate one shelf for the Vita.i still think the system will get to at least dreamcast/saturn/game gear levels. of course, if sony is really adamant about that, they could try keeping it on the market for five years and have it get closer to 15-20m after price drops. i'm not sure what the breaking point will be for retailers though.
I see the opposite, 2014 will be even bigger for the 3DS since their output is pretty low this year, its just that this year's games are pretty big system sellers. Next year will probably consist of more B tier titles.When the price drops and Smash, 3d Mario, etc. are out I will definitely have a Wii U. I know a lot of Nintendo fans that have no interest in the console right now due to not caring about NSMBU at all which is basically the only big thing Nintendo has put out for the console in 8 months.
The 3DS lineup in 2014 will probably be a big step down from 2013 and more like 2012.
Smash Bros
Yoshi
Bravely Default
are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though
i still think the system will get to at least dreamcast/saturn/game gear levels. of course, if sony is really adamant about that, they could try keeping it on the market for five years and have it get closer to 15-20m after price drops. i'm not sure what the breaking point will be for retailers though.
140k/month worldwide for U? I think that's being a little generous. Japan is what, 40k or less/month. Not sure of the US figures, maybe 50-70k? It's practically dead in Europe. I'd guess around 100k a month, if that.
You're kind of giving indie titles too much credit in selling systems.The indie wave hasn't really hit the Vita yet. There's a good 30-40 titles announced, let's see what happens when some of them hit at least.
Yeah I really don't get this logic at all, the 100th generic sequels to FPS games sell systems every year, but Nintendo games only sell to the existing userbase already.you think the entirety of the nintendo fanbase is people who are interested in nsmbu and nintendoland? and that super mario 3d world, pikmin 3, and the wind waker hd are only going to appeal to those existing users?
The indie wave hasn't really hit the Vita yet. There's a good 30-40 titles announced, let's see what happens when some of them hit at least.
You're kind of giving indie titles too much credit in selling systems.
If your source is the Nintendo press site, I don't know if these numbers are correct because they didn't update anything besides 3DS hardware numbers.As of May/June, 3DS LTD shipments are at least 34 million.
It just sold worse than the PSP did in May 2012. I haven't seen a PSP on shelves in at least a year and half. And the PSP had the benefit of having a much bigger userbase. I don't get how people are saying Sony aren't worried about Vita. Maybe in the sense that overall it doesn't hurt them that badly if it does go down, but come on now.
sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.
Wouldn't that imply 3DS hardware numbers are the only thing you can reliably use?If your source is the Nintendo press site, I don't know if these numbers are correct because they didn't update anything besides 3DS hardware numbers.
Sony's first party have never really bothered with their handhelds, even when the PSP was selling decently, expecting Naughty Dog to do anything is wishful thinking.sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.
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When the price drops and Smash, 3d Mario, etc. are out I will definitely have a Wii U. I know a lot of Nintendo fans that have no interest in the console right now due to not caring about NSMBU at all which is basically the only big thing Nintendo has put out for the console in 8 months.
The 3DS lineup in 2014 will probably be a big step down from 2013 and more like 2012.
Smash Bros
Yoshi
Bravely Default
are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though
The indie wave hasn't really hit the Vita yet. There's a good 30-40 titles announced, let's see what happens when some of them hit at least.
are what we have so far. They have already played the 2d Mario, 3d mario, mario kart, animal crossing, and pokemon cards by then and I don't expect any of those series to reappear on 3DS. There is still a lot of time though
I think they thought they could get a strong lineup of PS3/360 ports or spinoffs as long as they made hardware that was compatible with console middleware. This was stupid.I have no idea what they expected it to do in the west, maybe they thought being the same price as the 3DS and being more powerful was enough to sell it, even though the 3DS isn't the only competition.
Oh god can someone please photoshop a Vita into one of those photos with Kaz and Yoshida as the parents?
They should have done that themselves then, no one is going to do that unless there's results to show there's a market for it.I think they thought they could get a strong lineup of PS3/360 ports or spinoffs as long as they made hardware that was compatible with console middleware. This was stupid.
The generation is just winding down, when PS4/Xbone hits, the market should recover slowly. PS4/Xbone won't magically pull the industry up as soon as they launch, but when next-gen software start rolling out, the market will respond accordingly over time. We'll never get back to Wii/DS era level of sales, especially with digital gaining traction each day.So what's the general consensus, is this due to the prolonged generation or is this drop more indicative of a wider problem in the gaming market?
What if the PS4 and One fail to turn the tide after the launch frenzy dies down?
So what's the general consensus, is this due to the prolonged generation or is this drop more indicative of a wider problem in the gaming market?
What if the PS4 and One fail to turn the tide after the launch frenzy dies down?
That's neglecting digital business, in fairness.
So what's the general consensus, is this due to the prolonged generation or is this drop more indicative of a wider problem in the gaming market?
What if the PS4 and One fail to turn the tide after the launch frenzy dies down?
sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.
I said this when the Vita was revealed and got yelled at for insinuating Naughty Dog should lower themselves to handhelds.
I said this when the Vita was revealed and got yelled at for insinuating Naughty Dog should lower themselves to handhelds.
you think the entirety of the nintendo fanbase is people who are interested in nsmbu and nintendoland? and that super mario 3d world, pikmin 3, and the wind waker hd are only going to appeal to those existing users?
Wait. You don't expect Pokémon to reappear on 3DS?
Like, not even for a third version or a remake or something?
What is this about 3DS having a bad 2014?
We already know Nintendo will release:
Super Smash Bros
Yoshi's Island
Mario Golf
Bravely Deafult in 2014.
Oh well I meant a new gen. I think X,Y for this year Z for late 2014 or early 2015. I've said I expect the 3DS to have a 4-5 year lifespan vs 6 for the DS so I expect a new handheld or different type of animal to surface at E3 2015 or possibly late next year and launch before 2016. They do have a history of doing games after a new system is out so a remake wouldn't surprise me or X/Y2 if they decide the B/W model was successfu
What is this about 3DS having a bad 2014?
We already know Nintendo will release:
Super Smash Bros
Yoshi's Island
Mario Golf
Bravely Deafult in 2014.
Not to mention we will almost assuredly get the third pokemon edition of x/y as well as a new Kirby game. Plus whatever else they have up their sleeve.
What sort of uptick are you predicting?
they can, but not with their current hardware.
something like the oculus rift would be perfect for a mass market with a company like nintendo fully behind it.
sony can't even get its biggest studios on board for vita. tearaway looks like it'll be a really great game, but naughty dog can't figure out what to do with the machine? come on losers, not everything needs to be a humanity-defining movie-game. sony really should have had their top guys making shit at launch and shortly afterward, unless they had secretly planned for this thing to fail all along.
I don't get this whole fuss about Oculus Rift on GAF is. I'm sure it is cool, but this isn't something that you can see on TV. This would have the same problem as the Wii U and 3DS (to a lesser extent) does. You can't really advertise the thing you're selling, which happens to be a second screen experience and 3D, respectively. Why would VR be something that will become a big hit for any company when you would have to make someone experience it? I just don't see it.
I think SCEA has assumed from day one that the dedicated handheld market in the US was in steep decline, the Vita didn't have much of a future, and therefore didn't want to expend significant resources on it. I don't have any insider info or anything, this is just my opinion.
Wow! It's obvious that the market is saturated at this point. Mostly because of price. I don't see why the HD twins can't be $100 now.
they really should have picked their sales targets better. 16m -> 5m in shipments was kinda awful for a first year. i think nintendo will experience a repeat of that with their 9m forecast. they'll be lucky to hit 9m ltd in march 2014.
Huge investments brought big losses that need to be recouped somehow. Sony lost what, 5 billion dollars with PS3? Good luck making that back sometimes.I don't understand it. The GTA5 PS3 bundle is gonna be 300$, isn't it? How's that even possible if the PS4 is only 100$ more expensive. The gen has been overly long, consoles should be thrown at the customers now.
Wow! It's obvious that the market is saturated at this point. Mostly because of price. I don't see why the HD twins can't be $100 now.
Iwata recently stated that 2014 will be another year with a big amount of Nintendo titles.
Kirby, as said many times, is the most obvious among the unannounced...Rhythm Heaven? Tomodachi Collection in the West?
Look up how much EO4 sold a few months ago. It's more than that, but not much. That's all I'm going to say.I think we're all missing something here: FUSE's retail sales. I wanna see the receipts.
I just went on Amazon to find out that a brand new Wii is $150 holy shit
$250 PS360 makes sense now.
I think we're all missing something here: FUSE's retail sales. I wanna see the receipts.
Look up how much EO4 sold a few months ago. It's more than that, but not much. That's all I'm going to say.