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Reading more, it's a specific mode and not campaign co op unfortunately. Looks like 9 or so missions.
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NPD Sales Results for February 2012 [Up 3: Kingdoms Of Amalur, Syndicate, Asura]
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Reading more, it's a specific mode and not campaign co op unfortunately. Looks like 9 or so missions.
RpgN
Junior Member
FFXIII-2 improved on FFXIII in so many ways, it has become a decent game I had more fun on. It's a shame to see it sell this bad but I shouldn't be suprised considering how FFXIII was a disappointing game (even though I learned to love it as well).
At the same, I'm really not happy with the ending and how they left many things unexplained, important bits that they're planning to sell as DLC, novels and (maybe) FFXIII-3 is really low and a slap to the fans. It doesn't feel like they were trying to redeem themselves and give it their all.
I wonder if this teaches SE to stop milking the game and reconsider how to make DLC's? I doubt it
Also I'm afraid what this means for the franchise. They might make the games very western in response to FFXIII-2 performing bad and not trying to just deliver decent games.
At the same, I'm really not happy with the ending and how they left many things unexplained, important bits that they're planning to sell as DLC, novels and (maybe) FFXIII-3 is really low and a slap to the fans. It doesn't feel like they were trying to redeem themselves and give it their all.
I wonder if this teaches SE to stop milking the game and reconsider how to make DLC's? I doubt it
Also I'm afraid what this means for the franchise. They might make the games very western in response to FFXIII-2 performing bad and not trying to just deliver decent games.
Your iPad doesn't like the highlight tag for some reason.
Was it fine every other month?
There is demand. Just not for a FPS.
I'm going to laugh so hard when Paradox's Cartel, the game they're making in response to EA turning Syndicate into a generic FPS, outsells Syndicate even with it being PC only.
Psychotext
Member
I'll be all over that.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Old Syndicate fans not interested after a huge genre leap, and FPS fans who would appreciate the game from what I've seen of its excellent design and gameplay (dat UI!) are harder to woo out from under the huge shadows of MW3 and BF3 to try it.
Stone Cold Truth. FFXIII's flaws and devisive design decisions were also under a harsher microscope due to JRPGs losing zeitgeist in the public eye shortly before its launch and FF/Square being the flagship for the entire genre again in the public eye.
Pachterballs
Banned
FFXIII's problem is the linearity and how awful the game is. I tend to agree with the piss poor scores for it; and I'm not surprised it destroyed the brand's sales potential. 20 hours of "nothing" to get to gran pulse which really still wasn't even that open/fun..etc. I HATED FFXIII. I also didn't like combat and the loss of control over your characters in FFXIII. the paradigm system didn't do it for me.
until they unjapaify and mature-ise FF, with a cast like vanille/hope; I'm probably not going to bite
*FFXIII-2 also bombed in Japan no? So I think maybe the game didn't sell itself.
until they unjapaify and mature-ise FF, with a cast like vanille/hope; I'm probably not going to bite
*FFXIII-2 also bombed in Japan no? So I think maybe the game didn't sell itself.
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Most of it comes from you looking at the actual figures and we looking at wild math rounding. For instance, PS3 sales can be between 347k and 374k. Almost thirty thousand units just because of rounding. (Someone already said it is lower than 360k, however.)
The rest that is on the OP, though, barring people reporting wrongly, have been directly sourced to NPD. FFXIII sold more than Amalur according to the NPD ranking, and Amalur sold 330k according to what NPD told Joystiq, so FFXIII-2 has sold at least 330k.
Are you looking at the chart combining all platforms and versions or just the chart by single platforms?
BassForever
Member
It bombed when compared to FFXIII, it was at 775k when it dropped out of the top 20, but it's still in the top 50 in Japan so it's still selling. Between Japan and the US it's sold over 1 million units.
Petrae
Member
It's extremely close to the raw number, actually. The original extrapolation of 218K was already within 10K, but this revised one is even closer. I cannot say much more than that, except to advise accepting the number as valid for your own analysis and the basis of discussion moving forward.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
We will see this pattern repeated with Xcom I believe. A few companies just jumped outside their minds with this "everything must be a fps to sell" nonsense.
Doesn't make sense to me. FFXIII sold more than XII. By your logic, should imply XII strengthened the brand.
Prime crotch
Banned
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Petrae
Member
While it's a fair assumption that the 360 should remain at the top of the hardware chart (at least until WiiU hits), Microsoft is going to have a hard time competing with YOY numbers. I think that December was the start of this trend, and it should continue. The price drop could boost sales for a time, but my intuition tells me that the 360 winds up selling fewer units in 2012 than it did last year.
Claiming that FFXIII damaged the brand because the next Final Fantasy game sold less copies, while also claiming that FFXII "of course" damaged the brand even though the Final Fantasy game that came after it sold more copies, is a clear case of cognitive dissonance.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
All platforms. But some of the numbers are lower than what's here. Anyone else seeing that or am I crazy?
I'd like to believe it did; for anyone reasonable enough to play it that is.
kunonabi
Member
Paradox's Cartel? Tell me more.
Messofanego
Banned
Syndicate is a great shooter that is distinct enough from other FPSs and even Deus Ex.
Shaking my head at EA for the bad timing near Mass Effect 3 and no marketing.
Shaking my head at EA for the bad timing near Mass Effect 3 and no marketing.
Folks were hungry for an HD Final Fantasy, and for others, an HD JRPG with brand recognition.
Yes, EA sent this game to die.
And WTF at EA's policy of removing demos once the games hit retail? I have two friends that would love to check out the game, but now they can't--and I can't play with them--because EA took the damn demo down.
I'll think twice about buying my next EA game because of this.
FFXII sold more to consumers than XIII.
timetokill
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Not to turn this into a FF thread, but FF12 was the first Final Fantasy since probably 7 to give me some hope for the future of the franchise.
Then I saw FF13 and said, "welp, there goes that"
That said, I don't think FF13's sales can be entirely attributed to how FF12 did or didn't do. It was the first FF in a new generation of platforms. I expect FF## for PS4/720/whatever to get more sales than FF13-2 for that reason.
Then I saw FF13 and said, "welp, there goes that"
That said, I don't think FF13's sales can be entirely attributed to how FF12 did or didn't do. It was the first FF in a new generation of platforms. I expect FF## for PS4/720/whatever to get more sales than FF13-2 for that reason.
MS seem pretty positive 2012 > 2011, of course it's early and they could turn out to be very wrong. Regardless they have aspirations for it and they have the best idea on whether they can achieve that or not. If it even comes close to last years sales that's a massive triumph imo.
7m in 2012 and they won't settle until 360 is the best selling home console in the US ever.
Conflict NZ
Member
Why would they price drop when they are already the best selling console?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Nintendo has a new console coming out and they don't want sales to drop significantly yoy.
Petrae
Member
It's possible, of course, but when you start in a 24% hole, it's challenging to crawl out of that. March could be better, given that last year's number is more attainable and potential growth from Mass Effect 3 could help, but as the Kinect phenomenon fades a bit, I think that saturation starts to play a serious role.
2011 was a fantastic year for the 360, and I take nothing away from that. Repeating or besting those sakes results this year is going to be very difficult, even without issues like rising fuel prices and the debut of WiiU being considered.
It'll be fun to see what happens.
On my Kindle Fire using the NeoGAF web app, the chart shows Xbox 360 as 262K, which is clearly the wrong number. Is that what you mean?
uncledonnie
Banned
This times a million. The mindset at Square is baffling. Seems like they've totally lost touch with what makes a great game.
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
FF sequels have less to do with continuing the story and everything to do with using code at the end of a consoles life cycle to recoup ridiculous development time with code you have available.
I agree, they're going to have to be a bit more aware than they were last year (Dec not working out for them) if they're going to be persistant with this claim all year.
They're obviously not worried about the current YOY dips though, maybe they think a super cheap 360 can clear 2m+ in Nov + Dec
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
I'm hoping that releasing the Kinect kit on windows en masse recently will bring out better and better apps for the device.
~remains to be seen~
Petrae
Member
Right there with you. Asura's Wrath was known to be more of a niche title. Syndicate, even if the IP wasn't familiar to everyone, was still in the FPS wheelhouse.
No word on The Darkness II on my end. Snapshot only gives numbers for Top 10 Individual. Sorry.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
There was a post earlier in the thread where someone said "D2 PS3/360=RE Revelations" which I assume means that both the combined PS3 and 360 sales of the Darkness 2 were around the same level as RE's sales.
Most games from EA partner program have bombed, Crysis 2 being the exception. I'm worried about Insomnia's Overstrike.
UberTag
Member
XIII-2 was also a "much better game" that still actively misrepresented itself to its customer base by shilling Lightning all over its packaging/advertising and adopting a "change the future" tagline for a game without a proper ending. They then rolled out a blatant campaign to nickel and dime the few customers they were able to keep with frivolous paid fan service DLC. They also nerfed the first game's battle system to remove almost all challenge and strategic depth and replaced it with a critter collectathon - most of which are fundamentally useless.
Frankly, I enjoyed a lot of things about XIII that Square Enix didn't feel were important to preserve. But it's oh so nice that exploration is back. Can't get that from other games... well except for all of those other Final Fantasies that did it better. Like XII.
Given EA's lack of advertising muscle for all of their partner program titles, the concern for Overstrike is warranted. Most have been sent to die.
There's not much to tell at this point we haven't even seen a gameplay video. But not long after this Syndicate was revealed Paradox took advantage of the outrage and announced Cartel, and that it would be a true Syndicate successor (though obviously in a different world).
Syndicate is a true EA game though. They own the property but it was just being handled by an outside developer. Funny thing is Reckoning outsold Syndicate by a lot and that was an EA partners game with 0 advertising.
Fire Walk With Me
Banned
Preach on brother amen. The desire by "fans" to have their precious item shops back never fails to confuse me. because nothing was more exciting than reaching the next town and discovering there was a weapon more powerful than the last town you did this in for a bit more coin. Always a huge surprise in the dozens upon dozens of jrpgs I played where it happens each and every time.
Anyway, I dropping the FF thing. Although it pains me, its a middle of the pack, nostolgia only series now.
Are you combining platforms and Limited Editions?
I dont even know how the fuck that happened.
Borderlands.
And you can reach a hell of a lot more than 40K people without having to appeal to kids or a mass market.