cartoon_soldier
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fortified_concept said:
What you think retailers love to just keep 360s for the heck of it?
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Xbox 360 Sales May Exceed Microsoft's 10M Forecast
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What you think retailers love to just keep 360s for the heck of it?
Morbid Angel
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fortified_concept said:
Stores love buying products they can't sell!
AdamChrisH
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Didn't they lower their forecasts earlier this year?
Well, Microsoft has always been consistant on that point; they use shipped figures in their financial reports, which makes sense. And so does Sony. They count what constitutes a shipped system VERY differently, though.methane47 said:Well i'm pretty new here and haven't seen many XBOX SALES Threads...
Sony spouts alot of bull i know.... But they DO use "shipped" and they get alot of flack for it from sony haters...
Some MS execs said in interviews early last year that they would have 10m shipped by the time the PS3 went on sale. MS's financial reporting always said 10m by the end of the calendar year, though, so the message got mixed.AdamChrisH said:
Anyone remember the pissing match Peter Moore and Phil Harrison got into over sales targets, with Phill saying MS would not hit the 10m target by the end of the year, and Peter firing back that Sony wouldn't hit their target of 6m by the end of March? I might have to dig that thread up at the end of the year. :lol
Isn't it obvious why the forecast is going up? PS3 shipments are MUCH smaller than anticipated, even after being substantially revised, and they've already got their Wii sections planned out, Nintendo is already at its limit, so they're compensating with more 360s. This is also why you'll see, and are seeing a bigger retailer push for 360s as well, it's something they can actually make money on.
fortified_concept
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GhaleonEB said:
Well considering they've sold appr. 4 and a half million till the end of October and it's a bit unlikely to sell more than 6-6.5m till the end of year I'd say overstocking is the right word.
methane47 said:
Actually Sony is worse in that matter.
Tieno said:
Hi Tieno, this isn't a negative PS3 news thread!
Mark Gonzales
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Sony better get crackin...by 2008 it will be 20 Million X360 to 5 million PS3's
meltpotato
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fortified_concept said:
uh... 360 isn't really looking overstocked anywhere. Seems like a good deal of places have been selling out in the last few weeks.
Edit: maybe outside US?
Mithos Yggdrasill
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Square2005 said:I hav 4.4m by Oct:
NA - 3.18m
JP - 0.15m
EU - 1.10m
FYI, another recent article mentioned 200k X360s were sold over Thangsiving week.
If this Graph is accurate, 10 millions is impossible by the end of the year. Period.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I saw a stack of X360's at Best Buy yesterday that could choke the largest of whales. I mean it was so wide and huge, it quite possibly could tickle Paris Hilton's gag reflex. :lol To be fair, people were buying them.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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The November NPD is going to be hilarious. People will be overhyped, disappointed and suprised on so many levels simply due to their wild expectations.
Remember, though, they use a 4-4-5 week retail calendar, not the fiscal calendar. November NPD only covers through the 25th of November.lix2k3 said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132165
wedbush said:
Hmm, I'll wait for his clarification! (and I'm not betting anything. Just making a friendly suggestion.NinSoX said:
As for the replacements, I don't think that would do too much. MS said about 2% of units made before January had issues. So that's <20k total, even if they were counted.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
No clear winner will be determined by November or December. The March 2007 NPD is the new November NPD. Right, Che? :lol
fortified_concept
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Bebpo said:
Well to be fair Nintendo is the only one who has used real sales numbers many times.
Jack Random
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pr0cs said:
Source?
The bottom line is, MSFT will have a 10m installed base sometime soon, and this is GREAT news for third parties. It's no surprise that stores are ordering a lot of them, since it's pretty much the only thing they can push apart from the Wii. Someone who wants a PS3 and not a Wii (and believe me, there's a lot of those people) might get a 360.
It does look like there might be a price drop, especially if there's a lot of unsold units after Christmas. I'm sure MS is aware of that possibility. They can drop the price and further cripple the PS3, which may or may not have supply problems by that time (if they do a Spring price drop).
If MS drops the price before Sony sorts out their supply issues, Sony faces two dilemmas.
1. They can keep the system at $500/600 and lose more mindshare.
2. They can drop the price in return and be unable to meet supply, causing Sony to lose mindshare anyway.
^
This of course assumes Sony will continue to have supply problems.
All IMO, don't flame me.
It does look like there might be a price drop, especially if there's a lot of unsold units after Christmas. I'm sure MS is aware of that possibility. They can drop the price and further cripple the PS3, which may or may not have supply problems by that time (if they do a Spring price drop).
If MS drops the price before Sony sorts out their supply issues, Sony faces two dilemmas.
1. They can keep the system at $500/600 and lose more mindshare.
2. They can drop the price in return and be unable to meet supply, causing Sony to lose mindshare anyway.
^
This of course assumes Sony will continue to have supply problems.
All IMO, don't flame me.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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rs7k said:
No, your being quite reasonable. If anything MS should drop the price to combat the Wii, not the PS3. Make sure that third place is established very quickly, and fight for first with second place as the worst possible outcome - similar to what they did last gen versus the Gamecube.
meltpotato
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rs7k said:
as subjective as quantifying "mindshare" is, i think we can definitively say that this is not a scenario in which they would lose ground. their real concern there is going waaay to deep in the red. (which they pretty much would be)
Square2005
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Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Nothing is impossible if you believe shipped=sold...
NintendosBooger
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Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
So the Wii60 honeymoon is over?
KeithFranklin
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fortified_concept said:
Yup, you know those retailers love to order stuff that they dont plan to sell for awhile.
speculawyer
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C'mon . . . this is Peter Moore bravado. Don't take it so seriously.
Karl Rove said the GOP would hold the House and Senate too. :lol
Karl Rove said the GOP would hold the House and Senate too. :lol
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
speculawyer said:
Let me guess. You expect Xbox fans to "cut and run" from the next gen war? :lol
Dr. Kitty Muffins said:
I think the Wii is still a wild card. Both the 360 and Wii target different audiences. The Wii is successful and will continue to be because it's an extremely different system: something that's never been attempted before. Not only that, since Nintendo is still an extremely strong brand in the US. I was surprised that nobody else in the real world is complaining about the price (not enough value IMO, but I'm somewhat of a graphics whore), so that's a spot where Nintendo did great by hyping their new controller technology. Some of the criticism stemming from the graphics can be greatly offset by the mainstream perception that its motion sensing technology is extremely state-of-the-art.
As for the 360, it truly is more of the same. Same games, better graphics. Sure, there's games that truly push the envelope like Gears of War, but for most third-party games that the mainstream public usually buys, there won't be much of a difference. And the public that bought into PS2/Xbox and really enjoyed the systems and want more of the same experiences they enjoyed (like me), the Wii may not fit that bill. That's why I think the 360 and the PS3 will see some fierce competition between each other, and Nintendo won't have to do much since from all signs, it looks like it's just going to "print money".
If 360/PS3 sales start lagging compared to PS2/XB at the same price points, there will be cause for concern, but I doubt it will happen.
soundwave05
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MS will probably phase out the 360 Core next year, and drop the current Premium to $299.99. They could release a new "Super Premium" pack for $399.99 (100GB HDD for their movie d/l service), black casing, pack-in game included.
That would probably be a good fit.
Nintendo will probably react by going to $199.99 next spring as well.
I think Sony is in trouble looking at that .... can they afford to give the PS3 like a $100 price cut so soon? I don't think $50 cut will do as much for them because their price is still too high.
That would probably be a good fit.
Nintendo will probably react by going to $199.99 next spring as well.
I think Sony is in trouble looking at that .... can they afford to give the PS3 like a $100 price cut so soon? I don't think $50 cut will do as much for them because their price is still too high.
Mark Gonzales
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soundwave05 said:
Wrong. The whole point of the Core is to get a system down to $150-200 range. That is the quickest way to do it. That is when the console will be flying off the shelves to the non "hardcore" gamers.