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Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
cobragt4001 said:
I am not over the place, the US itself is separate from what we call America. United States of America, just like Bank of America, a corporation doing business in America.
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NYCmetsfan

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cobragt4001 said:
So what I quoted is stupid and has no ground, got ya. The reason I quoted the Congressional Record was to reply to the gentleman or lady who mentioned freedom. Just like people express their points with memes, I express my point with what I have learned.
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Brb gonna prove some crazy stuff with CR speeches
 
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Omega Ultimus

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cobragt4001 said:
The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’
http://www.afn.org/~govern/bankruptcy.html

Come again?
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cobragt4001 said:
When did I say I had proof of anything, I just posted a quote.
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What the heck are you insinuating, then? I just want you to stop being so dodgy and answer the questions without dancing around semantics.
Sorry everyone else for the long quote.
 
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eBay Huckster

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cobragt4001 said:
There's a reason connotation and denotation are principles of etymology.
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there's also a reason why the whole of this thread is shitting on you on this point

(and it's not because you're right about words not changing in meaning over time, given that that's also directly contradicted by basic principles of etymology)
 
Metaphoreus

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This is semantics, and nothing more
cobragt4001 said:
Excuse me? What I posted is from Congressional Records, what are you talking about?
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No, you did not. You posted something from some random website. Would you like to see page H1303 from the Congressional Record for March 17, 1993?

Here is the entirety of Traficant's comments:

Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.

Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government.

We are setting forth hopefully a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise.

I am going to support the rule. I am not sure yet if I will support this budget. I want to hear an awful lot more, not being a member of the committee, and I am not going to vote for things I do not understand or do not like, but let there be no mistake. After 12 years of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, we are standing here.

Let me say this to the minority party. Every program that Ronald Reagan wanted in 1981, he got. Reagan got it. There was a Republican Senate majority and there were 70 Democrats in this House that might as well have been Republicans, and we have the program.

The major assumption was very simple. We are going to cut taxes, put money in the pockets of the American people, and when they spend this money our gross national product is going to rise so great that even though we reduced your tax liability on a percentile basis, we will balance the budget, quoting Ronald Reagan, in 1982. It is going to take the fall of our Congress, I think, for that to happen.

Mr. Speaker, let us give this new administration a chance. Democrats gave Ronald Reagan a chance.

But let me give one word of caution here today. America already has race wars, let us be honest about it. We already have gender wars, let us be honest about it. We already have age wars, let us be honest about it.

One thing this Congress had better not get involved in and get trapped into is a class war on money. In America, if you can not earn all that you can, there is something wrong and there is no more a spirit of free enterprise.

I want to say this to the Members. We may talk about taxing the rich, but the rich people have already taken their companies and their jobs out of America. Be careful that the rich people do not take their money out of America, because the government already raises our kids, defends our families, educates our kids, feeds our kids, houses our kids, and the government it doing a very poor job of it. I think mom and dad would be better utilized there once again.

So I am going to listen to the debate. I do not know if I will vote for this budget.

Finally, I do not know if the budget makes one damn bit of difference, because we waive it all the time and I do not think we have ever followed it. I think we have an excellent chairman who worked hard. If we are going to have budget, we should follow it. If not, we once again as Members waste both our time and the people's time.

Let me say this just in closing. Today is not the mother of all debates and the mother of all decisions. When that tax package comes, you will have the mother of all votes on the floor.

Let me say this, I am not for voting any more taxes on the backs of the American people, because I believe the tax of 1990 put on right here today, and I am very concerned about the tax package being discussed in this Congress.

I am one Democrat who believes we should stimulate the private sector. We already have more government jobs than factory jobs, and I think that is an indictment of our Congress.

One basic tenet to this Constitution is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and there can be no life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness in America without job.

I would like to see the mother of all debates center around the jobs bill.
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I've bolded the portion actually quoted by your link. The rest of your link has nothing to do with the Congressional Record, despite the creative use of quotation marks.
 
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cobragt4001

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Chair is a word that denotes a object to sit on. Connotation is simply an idea or feeling. You all feel like you're Americans because you were born in America, feel.
 
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gutter_trash

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cobragt4001 said:
Words and their meanings don't change.
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oh fuck yes they do. The biggest proof of this how certain old words still used in former colonies in the Americas have changed back in Europe or the language in Europe modernized while people in the Americas still use old words that Europeans don't even use anymore.

French, ice-cream.
In France = glace;
in Canada/Quebec = crème glacée

Portuguese, ice-cream
in Portugal = gelado
in Brazil = sorvete (which basicly means sorbet, in Portugal both sorbet and ice-cream are differentiated)

English: appratment vs flat
 
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Vermillion

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cobragt4001 said:
There's a reason connotation and denotation are principles of etymology.
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Let's try this:
denotation: the literal or primary meaning of a word, in contrast to the feelings or ideas that the word suggests.

connotation: an idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition to its literal or primary meaning.

An omen being bad is a connotation. A country being "an area of land that is controlled by its own government" (and of course having legitimacy on the world stage, etc.) is not a connotation.
 
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cobragt4001

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Metaphoreus said:
No, you did not. You posted something from some random website. Would you like to see page H1303 from the Congressional Record for March 17, 1993?

Here is the entirety of Traficant's comments:



I've bolded the portion actually quoted by your link. The rest of your link has nothing to do with the Congressional Record, despite the creative use of quotation marks.
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Geez, maybe I shouldn't have included the link if I knew people would be so uptight about a site's opinion. We're discussing the site more than the actual quote lol
 
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eBay Huckster

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ConfusingJazz said:
Don't order beef at the OP's restaurant, you will get a living, breathing cow.
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actually given that the OP seems to believe that words are incapable of ever changing meaning

and given that "beef" is derived from the Latin "bos", which means "ox"

who the hell KNOWS what kind of bovine you're getting when you order beef
 
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cobragt4001 said:
Chair is a word that denotes a object to sit on. Connotation is simply an idea or feeling. You all feel like you're Americans because you were born in America, feel.
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Ahh, because a chair is a thing I sit on, I am not an an actual American. Now I get it. If you would have just lead with that this would be a much shorter thread.
 
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BlastProcessing said:
Ahh, because a chair is a thing I sit on, I am not an an actual American. Now I get it. If you would have just lead with that this would be a much shorter thread.
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yeah. The fact chairs are things for sitting really illuminated me to the fact I'm living in a the corporation of the united States of America, not "America"

Fucking chairs, man. Thank you OP
 
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Kerned

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cobragt4001 said:
Not trolling. One thing I notice is a person is labeled a troll simply because they share a different view. I'm providing Etymological evidence on how American has lost it's originally meaning.
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I think the problem is that you don't seem to have a point. You're just blathering on about nothing and everything.
 
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cobragt4001 said:
Not trolling. One thing I notice is a person is labeled a troll simply because they share a different view. I'm providing Etymological evidence on how American has lost it's originally meaning.
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Stop trying to make profound arguments about language when you don't know how to use"its" correctly.
 
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Omega Ultimus

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Here is the real transcript:
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.

Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government.

We are setting forth hopefully a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise.

I am going to support the rule. I am not sure yet if I will support this budget. I want to hear an awful lot more, not being a member of the committee, and I am not going to vote for things I do not understand or do not like, but let there be no mistake. After 12 years of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, we are standing here.

Let me say this to the minority party. Every program that Ronald Reagan wanted in 1981, he got. Reagan got it. There was a Republican Senate majority and there were 70 Democrats in this House that might as well have been Republicans, and we have the program.

The major assumption was very simple. We are going to cut taxes, put money in the pockets of the American people, and when they spend this money our gross national product is going to rise so great that even though we reduced your tax liability on a percentile basis, we will balance the budget, quoting Ronald Reagan, in 1982. It is going to take the fall of our Congress, I think, for that to happen.

Mr. Speaker, let us give this new administration a chance. Democrats gave Ronald Reagan a chance.

But let me give one word of caution here today. America already has race wars, let us be honest about it. We already have gender wars, let us be honest about it. We already have age wars, let us be honest about it.

One thing this Congress had better not get involved in and get trapped into is a class war on money. In America, if you can not earn all that you can, there is something wrong and there is no more a spirit of free enterprise.

I want to say this to the Members. We may talk about taxing the rich, but the rich people have already taken their companies and their jobs out of America. Be careful that the rich people do not take their money out of America, because the government already raises our kids, defends our families, educates our kids, feeds our kids, houses our kids, and the government it doing a very poor job of it. I think mom and dad would be better utilized there once again...
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Here is your's:
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:

"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise.

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’

Gold and silver were such a powerful money during the founding of the united states of America, that the founding fathers declared that only gold or silver coins can be "money" in America. Since gold and silver coinage were heavy and inconvenient for a lot of transactions, they were stored in banks and a claim check was issued as a money substitute. People traded their coupons as money, or "currency." Currency is not money, but a money substitute. Redeemable currency must promise to pay a dollar equivalent in gold or silver money. Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) make no such promises, and are not "money." A Federal Reserve Note is a debt obligation of the federal United States government, not "money?’ The federal United States government and the U.S. Congress were not and have never been authorized by the Constitution for the united states of America to issue currency of any kind, but only lawful money, -gold and silver coin.

It is essential that we comprehend the distinction between real money and paper money substitute. One cannot get rich by accumulating money substitutes, one can only get deeper into debt. We the People no longer have any "money." Most Americans have not been paid any "money" for a very long time, perhaps not in their entire life. Now do you comprehend why you feel broke? Now, do you understand why you are "bankrupt," along with the rest of the country?...
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I don't see anything the same after the first two lines.
 
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Freaky Fred

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cobragt4001 said:
Not trolling. One thing I notice is a person is labeled a troll simply because they share a different view. I'm providing Etymological evidence on how American has lost it's originally meaning.
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you can have a different view

but backing up your views with incorrect statements and saying things like "those are big words lol" makes you a troll
 
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