Agent_4Seven
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It's way more than just softer image, look at the hair in various places. There's way worse examples still.
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The Last of Us Part I PC Features Trailer- Ultra-Wide Support, Left Behind, and More
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Ahh.
If you are multi tasking while gaming then yeah 48GB for 180 dollars makes sense.
But realistically games on the high end use about 12GB, I dont see this game suddenly being the game to break the 20GB threshold that would require a 32GB to run.
Hell id be shocked if this game even uses 10GB of RAM.
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SmokedMeat
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I wonder what the general consensus is among PS5 players.
Get Last of Us or Returnal?
Get Last of Us or Returnal?
MidGenRefresh
Member
What a trailer. I’m surprised they didn’t mention mouse and keyboard support.
Sybrix
Member
That's DLC
Hoddi
Member
The whole concept of games running at X resolution kinda doesn't exist anymore. Modern games have countless different buffers and render targets running at resolutions that are different from the output resolution. Depth-of-field effects often run at quarter resolution, for example, so they'll only run at 1080p when your output is 4k. There's no real way to quantify something like that as running at X resolution.
It's the same reason that 1080p games often look blurry as hell nowadays. Older TAA games like Doom 2016 always looked perfectly fine at 1080p while newer games often look godawful at the same resolution.
BigBeauford
Member
Honestly Returnal is fucking amazing as a roguelike junkie. If the TLOU package had the multiplayer factions, TLOU is the no-brainer pick as factions is one of the most underrated multiplayer experiences in existence. Without factions, I prefer Returnal.
nightmare-slain
Member
I got a 4080 but no 4K monitor so I should be good for 1440p ~100fps hopefully.
does it have RTX/DLSS3?
I love that 32GB is becoming more common on PC now. I'm going to be upgrading to 64GB RAM soon. It's getting too close for comfort seeing games run at 20-25GB lol.
does it have RTX/DLSS3?
I love that 32GB is becoming more common on PC now. I'm going to be upgrading to 64GB RAM soon. It's getting too close for comfort seeing games run at 20-25GB lol.
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ChiefDada
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Returnal, duh.
nightmare-slain
Member
TLOU and it ain't even close.
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
Lol
ChiefDada
Member
FTFY - your keyboard seems to have conked out in the first half of your sentence.
nightmare-slain
Member
no.FTFY - your keyboard seems to have conked out in the first half of your sentence.
Senua
Member
hinch7
Member
its not, it often run into extreme performance bottleneckes at 1440p and above
literally on it box says 1080p. it is a gpu targeted for 1080p. it can match ps5 like for like at 1080p, but once you go beyond there, it will start having massive performance slowdowns.
here it is like this:
MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT Gaming X Review
The Radeon RX 6600 XT Gaming X is MSI's dual-fan, triple-slot flagship for AMD's new Full HD gaming champ. The card comes with an overclock out of the box and runs at great temperatures, while operating very quietly.www.techpowerup.com
at 4k, 5700xt is %12 faster
at 1440p, they're matched
at 1080p, 6600xt is %8 faster
that's a whopping %20 performance drop going from 1080p to 4K.
cyberpunk is even more brutal
MSI Radeon RX 6600 XT Gaming X Review
The Radeon RX 6600 XT Gaming X is MSI's dual-fan, triple-slot flagship for AMD's new Full HD gaming champ. The card comes with an overclock out of the box and runs at great temperatures, while operating very quietly.
at 4k, 5700xt is %23 faster
at 1440p, they're matched
at 1080p, 6600xt is %10 faster
a whopping massive %23 performance drop going from 1440p to 4K and another %10 from 1080p to 1440p
6600xt is a gimped product that only works to its potential at 1080p.
problems are even more pronounced with ray tracing;
at native 1080p with rt set to high (ps5 ray tracing settings), it gets around 50-70 FPS.
ps5 gets these framerates native 4k with its fidelity mode;
as I said, 6600xt has pathetic bandwidth at 256 GB/s. and infinity cache only works good enough at lower resolutions where cache hits are repetetive. at 4k/1440p/ray tracing situations, it falls quite a bit below PS5.
there really exists no GPU that is a proper match for PS5. 6700xt overshoots, 6600xt is a situational gimped card. best way is to compare 6700xt to PS5 and see how much of a lead it has. otherwise comparisons will be moot.
as I said, just because 6600xt matches a PS5 in terms of TFLOPS does not mean it will match it. there are other factors. bandwidth is the most crucial one.
The PS5s GPU is more akin to the 6700 (not XT). Same shader count, CU's (36), ROPs and TMU. Even similar clock speeds. With a lesser 192-bit bus and bandwith, 10GB VRAM but with 80MB L3 cache (infinity cache).
Though you can't really compare 1:1 even with the same GPU layout. Each platform will use different API's and perform differently. And consoles being a closed system, is likely to be more optimised and perform better like for like. Especially if you put them side by side. Say the Windows PC running DX will have a lot more overhead with different configerations and drivers. Plus other features like cache scrubbers plus native decompression hardware on console, vs higher cache on RDNA 2 DGPU's.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Kataploom
Member
Yet it seems to perform around 6600 to 6600XT (best case) in most cases... I think it's still a pretty good performance, I just wouldn't use it for 4K or RT... BTW I mostly talk about performance mode, since that's the one I'm interested in.
OT: This game is the trigger for me to get 32 GB of RAM, I know it won't necessarily use it but I'm on 16 GB DDR4 2400 MHz, never had a single problem since I'm almost always GPU bounded but I wanted to upgrade to 3200 MHz just to not leaving performance on the table and this seems like the perfect excuse. I hold a little more since DDR5 is already out but it's to expensive to migrate to a DDR5 if I'm getting almost same performance on GPU bound scenarios anyway
ChiefDada
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Alex11
Member
I think it's time to get a PS5 and be done with all these different requirements for every game that releases, It's becoming a chore.
It is a very pretty game no doubt, but a 4080 and 32 GB RAM seems a bit much for a game that is linear, no time of day and has pre-calculated lighting, and yeah, I know that you can't compare 1:1 the specs for a PS5 to a PC, but still.
It is a very pretty game no doubt, but a 4080 and 32 GB RAM seems a bit much for a game that is linear, no time of day and has pre-calculated lighting, and yeah, I know that you can't compare 1:1 the specs for a PS5 to a PC, but still.
Kataploom
Member
These two games are some of the ones I've tested myself on my 6700 XT just this past month:
A Plague Tale: Requiem: Around 50 to 65 at native 1440p... On PS5 it doesn't even renders at native 1440p for the 30-40 fps modes.
Forspoken: Around 60 to 80 fps on native non-dynamic 1440p... On PS5 it needs to use FSR to reach dynamic 1440p and yet framerate falls around 45 fps quite frequently.
Also DF put Returnal on PS5 against a 2060 Ti and it performs similarly even at 1440p, which in PS5 it requires CB and TAA from 1080p. The 2060 Ti was using DLSS Quality which is still higher than 1080p internally.
Even if you account for CPU bottlenecks, PC doesn't have it so it can show the full power of the GPU in scenarios PS5 can't.
I'll be playing TLOU Part I a little after it releases (gotta wait for performance reviews/patches first and get the 32 GB of RAM) so I'll be comparing.
Mr Moose
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A Plague Tale: Requiem is a beautiful tech showcase that pushes the consoles hard
Two years on from launch, games developed just for PC, PS5 and Xbox Series hardware are still a relative rarity, an eve…
www.eurogamer.net
Kataploom
Member
Ok, I misunderstood that part then, doesn't invalidate the other examples I gave. But at native 4K I was getting around 30-35 fps on High with Ultra textures, which seemed no possible on consoles. I moved to 1440p anyway since I just don't like playing at low frame rates unless I had no choice.
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
There was a rumor leaked out by a very anonymous man on the internet sourcing this game will support desktop shortcuts; You know the thing where you right click and select.. yeah that.
hinch7
Member
CPU bottleneck. The Zen 2 CPU in consoles are fairly slow compared to current CPU's in terms of IPC. And those are clocked at 3.5Ghz with a small cache. Hence why when pushed in higher framerates they dip a lot when compared to more performant hardware. And fair better at 30fps. As i said you can't compare 1:1.
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Where did you see that a 4080 is required to play this game? You can play it just fine with a GPU 1/10th of the price.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
That comment was made before PC low level APIs like DX12 and Vulkan existed.
Alex11
Member
I didn't write required, of course I was referring to 4k60 max settings. I have a 1050 Ti now, but low 720p, with all due respect, yeah thanks but no thanks. And where I am, a GPU for 1080p High settings, it's in the same price range as a PS5, which is running at higher settings and resolution.
Don't take it the wrong way, I'm not looking to start something, I ain't a fan of any console or anything, it is just a conclusion that I've reached if I want to keep gaming, and it's just for my specific situation.
Kataploom
Member
Not everything is CPU bottleneck on those consoles, GPU can punch above their weights at 4K (30 fps) against one with similar specs on PC due to bandwidth but at 1440p they're not even 6700 (non XT) level, I don't care though, 1440p is good enough to me but just to clarify... I got hyped by my new 6700 XT and have been doing tests comparing to DF and other sources just for the lols and it's like 20% most cases above consoles.
Agent_4Seven
Member
That's the problem. It's like with CRT which is still perfect for modern games, but cuz no one decided to make it better when it comes to screen tech and at the same time significantly reduce the size of the tubes and monitors etc., we have to deal with bs tech like IPS, VA etc. which have a ton of problems everyone looking solutions for and devs had to implement motion blur (which a lot of people hate), where as CRT don't even need it. Same goes for image reconstruction tech, sole purpose of which is to help with performance, but at a cost of ruining the image which in my eyes not a worthy trade off. All of the above is solutions in search of more problems someone have to deal with at some point to make their own problems for others to fix and so on, the cycle never ends. The only tech which is (arguably) better than native res is DLSS, but it also has problems even with the latest version, BUT consoles can't use it.
I mean, okay, not a lot of people actually using photo modes in games to make screens, but for those of us using them - any kind of image reconstruction tech ruins the whole purpose of photo modes and making them pointless. Insomniac the only devs which actually allowing their games to run at much higher res so image reconstruction (if it's active in the game in some form) is not a problem. Native res is always better than any image reconstruction tech, no matter if it's being used only for certain visual aspects of the game like hair rendering, fog, lighting, shadows, foliage etc.
The whole problem of the gaming industry in general when it comes to tech and hardware, is that it's running ahead of the train without actually having hardware nessesary to do it (PC hardware included), so it's cheating and making an impression of the opposite. No one is using the full potential of UE3 or UE4 (which are not perfect, but Arkham Knight is sole example of what you can do with UE3 and kill any other game on this engine visually and tech wise) or any other game engine cuz fuck it, let's use UE5 and think of some bs tech to make games run on underpowered hardware and to make overpriced af PC hardware catch up for years to run games at native res.
It depends on the amount, complexity and quality of assets on screen and overall artistic vision. Take latest RE4 demo for example, which will look blury af in 1080p with TAA, same goes for any other extremely complex game visually. Also, why the fuck no one is using SSAA in modern games? It looks amazing in Metro: Last Light in 1080p while downsampling from 4K without TAA or other modern and BS AA solution. Modern high end GPUs have zero problems running SSAA.
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