lucebuce12
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I'm assuming that person hasn't played Ryu or Juri or Alex or F.A.N.G or Laura.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIIII| New Generation - Fighting Game Is Something So Great
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TheSpoiler
Member
Wait.
Laura.
I see you, luce.
Yeah that would have been great. Maybe his v-skill will let him have more fun when he gets a new one.
I could see them giving him a few more moves or so.
lol fucking impossible. Abby's not even lower mid. Like high mid at worst.
But he's def not the best. He's got a lot of good shit on paper but he's super slow, he has no reversals/wakeup options, his parry isn't broken enough that it's useful for every situation, and he has to chase people around the screen.
Laura.
I see you, luce.
Yeah that would have been great. Maybe his v-skill will let him have more fun when he gets a new one.
I could see them giving him a few more moves or so.
lol fucking impossible. Abby's not even lower mid. Like high mid at worst.
But he's def not the best. He's got a lot of good shit on paper but he's super slow, he has no reversals/wakeup options, his parry isn't broken enough that it's useful for every situation, and he has to chase people around the screen.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
People are calling Abby the best character in the game on Twitter.
Like, I think he's good. Like really good. But some people are high on these combo videos tbh.
Edit: I was really hoping for Zeku to be Garuda. That would have been so cool
Best? He is definitely the most fun, followed by Kolin. Ed did end up feeling unfinished/boring/one-note.
Btw, how's it going for you with the Akuma match-up?
ScraftyDevil
Banned
My problem with Ed is that some of his moves seem like they weren't thought out at all.
Like, Psycho Upper's range is so short that it whiffs when cancelled from max range crMK, yet it moves him forward too much to be used as a reliable anti-air even on reaction. Thus, its only purpose is as a combo ender and even there are better options for many scenarios.
I don't think he's an awful character or anything, but a few smart buffs in the right places could make him a serious contender, in my opinion.
Like, Psycho Upper's range is so short that it whiffs when cancelled from max range crMK, yet it moves him forward too much to be used as a reliable anti-air even on reaction. Thus, its only purpose is as a combo ender and even there are better options for many scenarios.
I don't think he's an awful character or anything, but a few smart buffs in the right places could make him a serious contender, in my opinion.
TheSpoiler
Member
blocked cr.mk into ex run in trigger feels great because they'll try and jab you but they can't do shit.
Jabbing works! Converting into hard damage is difficult because I'm still getting comboed into oblivion when I whiff something. So I kinda rely on the jumpins with airfireballs and swat them and Akuma away, leading into a juicy knockdown situation. I'll usually back away a bit and go into maybe a st mp into ex giant flip once they whiff something or bait out a dp. But the real smart ones are patient, and opening them up is still hard.
Trickster
Member
Abigail feels like straight broken tier to me so far lol. Can't do anything against him, got some advice in the old thread and none of it is working :|
lucebuce12
Member
Abigail definitely has the makings of a high tier character. Very good V-Trigger, great damage, command grab, solid damage from AAs.
He has his weaknesses sure but his strengths definitely outrank them.
Abigail actually seems like a pretty decent character to me in my short stint with him. He has an answer for every situation and a very versatile tool-set in a game with few options. The huge damage is just a plus. His biggest weakness is lack of defensive options and slow normals, but his v-reversal is one of the best and kind of makes up for that.
Laura seems like she mashes his head in though.
Laura seems like she mashes his head in though.
sixteen-bit
Member
The best thing you can do against him is pick Guile
lucebuce12
Member
Trickster
Member
MegamanXZero
Member
Seriously. Ryu's stubby ass normals still drive me nuts almost 3 years in. Getting some range back on his s.LK was breath of fresh air. I still play him though...I'm part of the problem.
CountBlack
Member
Daigo apparently said he thinks Abigail is really weak too and he's been using him a lot hmm
Your pressure that starts from a fullscreen jump in that's 17f invincible and +13 on block
im sleep tho
you deserve to get parried tbh
UncleMeat
Member
Probably doesn't mean much to you guys since I'm in a lower league, super silver, but as a Ken player Abilgail has been my easiest matchup of the game so far. I have to play kind of a bitchy style which is fireballs and then hard DP or hard tatsu when he comes in because it get's through his armor and then punish on wakeup, rinse/repeat. A good percentage don't take the rematch even in casuals and I can't say that I blame them.
And ya, I'm just going to jump in and start posting in this thread since I was a major lurker in the last one when I started playing the game again a few months ago. Cfn is DrRockso_21 if anyone in the US wants to add me and I know you all love to play against silver Kens.
Great OT and thread title.
And ya, I'm just going to jump in and start posting in this thread since I was a major lurker in the last one when I started playing the game again a few months ago. Cfn is DrRockso_21 if anyone in the US wants to add me and I know you all love to play against silver Kens.
Great OT and thread title.
Danke usually has well-thought out opinions. When he said that about Abigail I did a double-take.
The Lone Dragon
Member
I think Ed is probably one of the most thought out characters because of his simple controls. Moves whiffing at certain ranges is completely intentional.
If you're going to give a character single press specials, then you're going to have to balance them by making them NOT mash friendly. You have to be even more deliberate with your ranges.
Also, Psycho Upper is still used a lot as a combo ender...and, it's cancellable into CA.
I don't know why people still think this roster's gameplay is just thrown together recklessly. Look how balanced this game is. Look how few truly game breaking glitches there have been. No infinites. Nothing TO's have had to ban. Sooner or later we have to admit that it's not an accident.
Marvel
could never
I totally do, but I only do it from a canceled cMK extremely close. But they know so I have since stopped lol
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I'm still learning to juggle off his cr.FP AA into Giant Flip on reaction. I'm not sure if it only connects off a CC or just a regular AA.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Welcome to the thread!
Unfortunately we are not on the same continent. Otherwise I would gladly have played some matches with you.
My favorite was when a rumor was going around that the early silhouette of Ed was Iori Yagami harkening a SF/KoF crossover.
lucebuce12
Member
Little did we know KoF was going to crossover only with 3D fighters (DoA and Tekken).
lucebuce12
Member
I just want Meitenkun, that sleepy motherfucker in SF.
It'd be awesome.
It'd be awesome.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Whoa buddy, I never said anything about the gameplay being thrown together recklessly. Ed's my sub; my thoughts are based on hundreds of matches played with him both online and at locals, not just some idle chatter.
Even if his specials were designed to whiff at max range that doesn't just excuse his other design problems, though. Ed feels like he's on the cusp of being a great character, but he's held back by a multitude of small, easily-tweaked issues. I'm not gonna just sit here and accept the justification of "he's SUPPOSED to have issues!" when my boy is within arm's reach of excellence.
People are overestimating Abigail now because nobody is used to the gimmicks yet. He's not weak, but his strength is going to be in his normals once people get used to him. He's going to be explosive due to his high damage, but he gets completely overwhelmed once you can get in on him.
Hit up Ken Bogard from dem deetz.
Zen will be Zekus new identity after being killed and brought back from the dead
I bet
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I agree with this. Like I mentioned, if his Giant Flip only had more advantage on block, they could have been as useful as Hugo's claps were.
TheSpoiler
Member
I think it has to be a cc but I'm not sure. That's the only time it's juggled is from ex flip for me.
DR2K
Banned
Fought my first Abagil. His hurt box is a lot smaller than his frame. I understand why it's this way, as he would be completely useless otherwise. Why make a character like this in the first place? Once the novelty of this character wears off it'll just be a obscure character no one actually wants or uses. aka Fang.
SneakersSO
Member
Hurtboxes & hit boxes are very easy to adjust. They just aren't going to make any major gameplay changes to the game until CC 2017 has finished up.
Abigail actually has a ton of strong things in his kit, and is among some of the most immediately fun of any of the DLC characters. He's got a lot going for him in terms of potential.
You can pry Alex's jab AA from my cold, dead hands.
Abigail is already a better and more popular character than FANG ever was. The comparison is weak.
CountBlack
Member
Yes but will they make those adjustments? Does Capcom see an issue with AA jabs or is it a feature?
Just like how I thought they were getting rid of throw loops but ended up only taking away Ryu's lol.
lucebuce12
Member
Fucking Capcpom.
It still irks me how they remove Ryu's throw loops but keep others.
It still irks me how they remove Ryu's throw loops but keep others.
Spinosaurus
Member
Good stuff against PR Rog, Flux.
That backdash catch lol.
That backdash catch lol.
TheSpoiler
Member
DR2K is like ZG if he didn't actually play any of the fighting games he shitposts about
Maybe if they hadn't already incorporated the rumor into the lore.
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sixteen-bit
Member
congrats
Thanks. I lost about 500 points immediately thereafter to a Platinum Abigail, so that was fun.
Omnistalgic
Member
Yeah, I thought it would be fairly normal path to Master, just play a few hours everyday. I seem to win more than I lose, but some days the points just don't go up. I imagine Ultra Diamond is the hardest hill to climb towards Master.
I may just stop at Ultra, I just get too pissed losing 160+ points for one loss lol.
I don't know how you do it...