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Retro Anime Discussion |OT|

What retro anime titles are long overdue for a blu-ray release in North America?


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It was funny reading Amazon reviews for the first NTSC DVD printings of SF2 the movie. So many flipped when the Chun Li scene was cut. It's like 10-seconds long and made me wonder...if they wanted T & A anime that bad...there is a genre for that.

Japan definitely thought it was an important scene. They put a gratuitous shot of it on the back of the JP VHS release. :messenger_smiling_horns:

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Speaking of soundtracks, that's another mystery I never read much into. During the 70's-80's, many Americans were cutting the stereo mix down to run English lyrics into opens/closings or in the case with either Harmony Gold or Streamline; they would remove the entire soundtrack and replace it with something American made. Was that even necessary? The GoShogūn TV series opening in English makes me cringe (they called it something like Macron 5). Yet, the American synthesizer soundtrack added into Lensman was awesome.

Changing the soundtrack for US television versions was a pretty common practice in localization. Actually I'm not sure any brought over to US TV retained their original JP scores. Maybe Speed Racer? =P

VHS releases usually remained in tact provided they weren't being repackaged to sell under a different title or something. Though AnimEigo had a terrible practice of replacing Japanese vocal songs with re-recorded English versions for the dubbed tapes. Having some non-band do a low rent English rendition of stuff like Konya wa Hurricane in Bubblegum Crisis was pretty awful.
 

Happosai

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Japan definitely thought it was an important scene. They put a gratuitous shot of it on the back of the JP VHS release. :messenger_smiling_horns:

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Changing the soundtrack for US television versions was a pretty common practice in localization. Actually I'm not sure any brought over to US TV retained their original JP scores. Maybe Speed Racer? =P

VHS releases usually remained in tact provided they weren't being repackaged to sell under a different title or something. Though AnimEigo had a terrible practice of replacing Japanese vocal songs with re-recorded English versions for the dubbed tapes. Having some non-band do a low rent English rendition of stuff like Konya wa Hurricane in Bubblegum Crisis was pretty awful.
U.S. Manga Corps, Anime Works, and Urban Vision used to add juicy pics to the back of their VHS releases, too. I think by the time things had migrated to DVD (for Westerners) -- they stopped trying to use cheap thrills for marketing. The warning labels don't seem as exaggerated anymore either. U.V. had a warning meter for their ratings (I think they were trying to be edgy).

I own everything Bubblegum Crisis related. I think you can get the original songs and music videos by switching back to the native Japanese audio. Of course, that didn't work with LaserDisc or VHS. Speed Racer was original for the instrumental if I remember correctly, but the dubs are far from 'Mach Go-Go-Go' (which I believe is how Japan wanted it to be marketed in English countries). I'm in Mexico watching some low-budget dubs of anime (culture out here demanded localization of anything non-Spanish) and they aren't too bad until it gets to the openings/closings. I guess I've grown accustomed to always hearing Japanese soundtracks with Japanese vocals with their Engrish words popping in randomly. There are plenty of great Mexican singers who could sing for those localized soundtracks but they usually end up with some idiot who's tone-deaf. My wife is Mexican and a singer/musician...she gets annoyed with it too. They're not doing it well studio wise either. To remove and replace the Japanese vocals they usually end chop up the instrumental mix. Soundtracks sound great with just simple 2.0 stereo but the dubs cut them down to a generic mono with obvious dynamics missing.
 
With Martian Successor Nadesico...I actually stopped watching because in the late-90's all I had was the dubbed VHS. I should have bought it back on DVD and just watched the subbed version. I recall my reason for not liking the dub was the actors speed-reading their lines and it just being a hot mess.

Nadia the Secret of Blue Water is actually cheaper on Region B (Europe, I believe) blu-ray than the Region A set. It's the same set, too. You'd have to pay for shipping from the U.S. but if you really like it -- buy it before it goes out-of-print. All older anime that was not super popular tends to only stay in-stock about 3-years after release before printing gets scarce or the publishers simply inflate the price.


I bought it years ago for a high price! (abouts £50 or something). I should definitely get back to it but I am on an episode where it gets quite dark.
 

Happosai

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I bought it years ago for a high price! (abouts £50 or something). I should definitely get back to it but I am on an episode where it gets quite dark.
Just finished rewatching Tenchi Muyo TV (sold as Universe in the West) and decided to move onto Photon: The Idiot Adventures. The creative staff who worked on Tenchi TV is the same for Photon. I haven't seen it in awhile, though. It's been depressing being locked in so much that I've tried to pick anime to watch with more comedy. Watched the Ushio and Tora OVA a month ago and then tried Blue Seed. I was suffering some bad insomnia for most of July and Blue Seed wasn't something my wife or myself felt into at the moment. Seems I've had more 90's anime on but I'll switch back to 80's anime in the Winter. This is the first time since I was in college (nearly 14-years ago) that I've had time to watch anime back-to-back from my collection. I recommend doing the same. The virus contagion won't be around forever and when everyone's back to work...there's not much time to enjoy things like this.
 

Happosai

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Dub Nabiki is still the best anime character. I still need to buy the first couple seasons before the godawful new male Ranma voice showed up.
Nabiki's dub was voiced by two, I recall. They had a split in the voice sessions around about the 5th volume (5th season in North America). I guess, there was this hiatus where Ocean ran out of money to pay the actors and when Ocean called everyone back more than a year later...some of the voice actors had taken other jobs. Angela Costain voiced Nabiki in English from episodes 1-111 and was temporarily unavailable to voice Nabiki. She returned to voice Nabiki from episode 137-end. Ranma's original female voice was replaced with Venus from the 7th episode until the end. So, I'm guessing you're referring to male Ranma. Sarah Strange voiced 64 episodes as male Ranma. When the studio went on hiatus...she didn't come back. From what I've read, she liked singing and was perusing a job as a singer when they tried to get her back. So, they ended up calling Richard Ian Cox to do the male voice of Ranma and he stuck with it until the end of the TV series.

In the Ranma fan circle, there's always debate about the dubbed Ranma. I vaguely remember Bridgette Dau's voice for female Ranma as she was only in the first 6 episodes. Venus did a great job with the female Ranma and tried not to make him/her sound too feminine. Male Ranma...I liked both of the dubbed voices. I don't think Sarah Strange was able to get down the dynamics of a male shouting voice. Richard Cox was able to voice Ranma more dynamically. My wife watched all 161 episodes with me and did not like Sarah Strange's voice for Ranma. I think that's because she saw the localized dub of Ranma in Spanish and the Mexican dub gave him a deeper sounding voice. When dub VA debates get to heated...I opt-out for the subs. Japanese VA's stick around a long time and my only complaints are that their women's voices can get screechy sometimes in a bad way.
 

Happosai

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School Rumble counts as retro anime or not? It's awesome ;p
Some are going to classify it as retro. I have more trouble doing that due to the fact that the manga was written in 2002 and the first time it ran as an anime was in 2004. The ones I mentioned for the 2000's had their inception mostly in the mid-late 90's. Like I said, others might classify it as retro considering 2004 is not so recent either.
 

kunonabi

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Nabiki's dub was voiced by two, I recall. They had a split in the voice sessions around about the 5th volume (5th season in North America). I guess, there was this hiatus where Ocean ran out of money to pay the actors and when Ocean called everyone back more than a year later...some of the voice actors had taken other jobs. Angela Costain voiced Nabiki in English from episodes 1-111 and was temporarily unavailable to voice Nabiki. She returned to voice Nabiki from episode 137-end. Ranma's original female voice was replaced with Venus from the 7th episode until the end. So, I'm guessing you're referring to male Ranma. Sarah Strange voiced 64 episodes as male Ranma. When the studio went on hiatus...she didn't come back. From what I've read, she liked singing and was perusing a job as a singer when they tried to get her back. So, they ended up calling Richard Ian Cox to do the male voice of Ranma and he stuck with it until the end of the TV series.

In the Ranma fan circle, there's always debate about the dubbed Ranma. I vaguely remember Bridgette Dau's voice for female Ranma as she was only in the first 6 episodes. Venus did a great job with the female Ranma and tried not to make him/her sound too feminine. Male Ranma...I liked both of the dubbed voices. I don't think Sarah Strange was able to get down the dynamics of a male shouting voice. Richard Cox was able to voice Ranma more dynamically. My wife watched all 161 episodes with me and did not like Sarah Strange's voice for Ranma. I think that's because she saw the localized dub of Ranma in Spanish and the Mexican dub gave him a deeper sounding voice. When dub VA debates get to heated...I opt-out for the subs. Japanese VA's stick around a long time and my only complaints are that their women's voices can get screechy sometimes in a bad way.


Yeah, its Cox I couldnt stand. He just couldnt get all the layers right so he felt way more one note than the character deserved. I pretty much bailed when he showed up. The liberties with the manga got excessive and it felt like the whole cast lost their enthusiasm that season.
 

Happosai

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Yeah, its Cox I couldnt stand. He just couldnt get all the layers right so he felt way more one note than the character deserved. I pretty much bailed when he showed up. The liberties with the manga got excessive and it felt like the whole cast lost their enthusiasm that season.
It wasn't the same. They had spent 64 or so episodes building the dynamic they had at Ocean Studios and then were sent home for over 12-months. That may have been what killed the enthusiam. I believe it was common with many dubs to try to imitate whoever was the original voice. I've heard the Slayers dub and in the first series, they had different VAs for Zelgadis and Amelia. Zelgadis first voice sounded like the guy was sleeping through his lines. However, Amelia's second VA tried to match the first English voice as much as possible. Back to Ranma...Cox could have given a more masculine voice to male Ranma but he was trying to match a woman's voice (Sarah Strange), so the audience wouldn't be too thrown off. I remember the voices changing and noticing immediately. So, no one was fooled. I think the one dub actress they replaced the most was Kodachi. She had like 3 or 4 VAs...they all got the laugh down (which I'm guessing wasn't that hard to do) but dubbing her seems like it was a mess.
 

gela94

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Great thread! This was and is my favorite anime



Because of this I got reeeeaaaallllllllly interested in history and the music is top notch! :messenger_smiling_hearts: I barely watch anime nowadays there is so much stuff and hard to sort the good stuff from the bad.
But my first anime movie was plastic little, great artstyle, too bad there were not more Satoshi Urushihara mangas adapted to anime.

 
But my first anime movie was plastic little, great artstyle, too bad there were not more Satoshi Urushihara mangas adapted to anime.



Yeah I used to like Urushihara's stuff back in the late 90s. There was also the Lemnear OVA though it's not very good aside from visuals. He had that porno too...=P

This is sometimes overlooked but he was pretty heavily involved in the 7th Bubblegum Crisis OVA "Double Vision", which unlike the other OVAs, had the visuals tuned toward his art style
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Happosai

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Great thread! This was and is my favorite anime



Because of this I got reeeeaaaallllllllly interested in history and the music is top notch! :messenger_smiling_hearts: I barely watch anime nowadays there is so much stuff and hard to sort the good stuff from the bad.
But my first anime movie was plastic little, great artstyle, too bad there were not more Satoshi Urushihara mangas adapted to anime.


Seemed like back during the golden era of Japanese animation and short after, they wanted every department to give their best. I don't see the budget so much with modern anime. It seems like.The studios are nightmares to work in and creative output is about the only reason every animator doesn't quit. Plastic Little and RoV were great and are rewatchable. Sucks that so many good titles haven't made it to blu-ray and remain rare or extremely hard to get (Maison Ikkoku comes to mind).
 

Happosai

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Yeah I used to like Urushihara's stuff back in the late 90s. There was also the Lemnear OVA though it's not very good aside from visuals. He had that porno too...=P

This is sometimes overlooked but he was pretty heavily involved in the 7th Bubblegum Crisis OVA "Double Vision", which unlike the other OVAs, had the visuals tuned toward his art style
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That part about an animators individual involvement...that's where I get lost with CGI replacing hand-drawn. How can you see an artist's work through animation if not by their unique style. When working on 3D in the past, it occurred to me that anyone can do it. Not everyone is gifted to paint, storyboard, write, etc...but just about anyone can program isometric lines to move on an x/y plane. I learned how to do that in 3-hours of my 3D rendering class in 06. Looking at these makes me miss seeing Kawajiri's style of anime. Never saw anyone touch what he was doing.
 

lachesis

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Great thread! This was and is my favorite anime



Funny that I was reading up about Versailles no Bara, also real history about French revolution, and how Marie Antoinette was portrayed differently from real history, etc last night, while listening to that song. :D

I plan to watch the RoV again when my daughter learns little bit more about world history... ;)
 

Tschumi

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My wife and i watched 999 in a couple of weeks or so, watching 5-10 episodes a day.. couldn't get enough.. absolutely outstanding. I dunno if i have a license to talk about anime though~

Edit: 999's creator, whose name escapes me, also did "Space Battleship Yamato".. didn't capture us like 999, but pretty great.. and an interesting take on a ww2 icon...
 
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Tschumi

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If Moebius ever made an anime , it would look like Dragon's Heaven
An Obscure OVA with giant Mech and pretty cool artstyle.

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The other one i really like from the old school animation is of course The Wings of Honneamise.
An amazing anime about the conquest of space.

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Ninja Scroll is pretty gruesome too

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Ahh, old school anime looked so much better IMHO.


also let's not forget one of the best mecha anime
Gunbuster !

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Bookmarked. Some of these look incredible (edit: long since watched ninja scroll)
 
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kunonabi

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This ended up in my evening time slot for home networked retro anime this Fall. The quarantine where I'm at has allowed me to watch more anime this year than I have in the past 12-years.


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Animation and soundtrack were so great in this. The sequel is going to be rough with the lack of any real budget but I'm looking forward to it anyway.

I've been working through lupin III part 2 since I finally got around to buying the dvd sets. I've seen it before but I think this is the first time I'll be able to see every episode.
 
This ended up in my evening time slot for home networked retro anime this Fall. The quarantine where I'm at has allowed me to watch more anime this year than I have in the past 12-years.


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I really need to watch this OVA.

Gonna be honest and it's gonna upset people. The only good thing from the three Bubblegum Crisis OVAs I watched before giving up was the insert songs, I had high expectations for it and it didn't deliver at all. Overrated ass OVA.

My wife and i watched 999 in a couple of weeks or so, watching 5-10 episodes a day.. couldn't get enough.. absolutely outstanding. I dunno if i have a license to talk about anime though~

Edit: 999's creator, whose name escapes me, also did "Space Battleship Yamato".. didn't capture us like 999, but pretty great.. and an interesting take on a ww2 icon...
Leiji Matsumoto.
 

Shouta

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That part about an animators individual involvement...that's where I get lost with CGI replacing hand-drawn. How can you see an artist's work through animation if not by their unique style. When working on 3D in the past, it occurred to me that anyone can do it. Not everyone is gifted to paint, storyboard, write, etc...but just about anyone can program isometric lines to move on an x/y plane. I learned how to do that in 3-hours of my 3D rendering class in 06. Looking at these makes me miss seeing Kawajiri's style of anime. Never saw anyone touch what he was doing.

Are you talking like 3D models or just digitally done animation? The former can be harder to portray style but is definitely possible with work. Something like Land of the Lustrous or Dorohedoro look pretty great despite being 3D models. If it's the latter than, they've definitely done it even for older artists like Urushihara and Mikimoto. Kotetsujo no Kabaneri from 2016 is an amazing rendition of Haruhiko Mikimoto's art for example.
 
It would greatly apreciated if you could put the names of the animes listed next to their images. Of all the ones you put on the OP, the images quoted here are the ones i don't know their names.
Galaxy Express 999
Bubblegum Crisis
Outlaw Star
3x3 Eyes (I think? Not watched it.)

On Outlaw Star while he mostly covers Zoomer fiction I thought this video was the best he's done in a while:

 

Happosai

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Are you talking like 3D models or just digitally done animation? The former can be harder to portray style but is definitely possible with work. Something like Land of the Lustrous or Dorohedoro look pretty great despite being 3D models. If it's the latter than, they've definitely done it even for older artists like Urushihara and Mikimoto. Kotetsujo no Kabaneri from 2016 is an amazing rendition of Haruhiko Mikimoto's art for example.
Well, the comment covers my experience with 3D models. However, Japan and digital animation is one that I have only a few exceptions to liking. Not sure what it is, but Japan seemed to do better without 3D aid. I'm talking about when they use digital animation for effects like fog, lighting, and cel painting. It looks great in anime video games. But I have a differing opinions on it's application in TV animation. All 3D or CG to me looks off...like they just don't get it. I love in Mexico and Saint Seiya has always been trending. My cousins here showed me a new version that's all digital and it looked bad. Not as bad as 2016 Berserk but...They were better off using traditional animation.
 

Happosai

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I love this aesthetic and top of listening to city pop.
Generally speaking, I hate about 90% of most pop music. However, that small margin of which I like includes 80's Japanese City Pop. When I listen to it, I don't feel like I'm contradicting my other music as it combines elements of funk and jazz. Not all anime had city pop soundtracks but it brings in memories of that time.

I have a question for you and anyone else reading regarding anime openings/closing music.
What's one anime you like but you can't stand the opening/end music?
Mine: Chiisana Koi No Melody (Eatman Opening)...I love Eatman but cringe Every time I hear that.
Also, the English opening for RayEarth Season One.
 

Happosai

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Animation and soundtrack were so great in this. The sequel is going to be rough with the lack of any real budget but I'm looking forward to it anyway.

I've been working through lupin III part 2 since I finally got around to buying the dvd sets. I've seen it before but I think this is the first time I'll be able to see every episode.
I think we're in the same place with Lupin the 3rd TV part 2. The first part is more akin to the manga. Second series defined the Lupin most know now. Did you ever get to see the Gunsmith Cats OVA?


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kunonabi

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I think we're in the same place with Lupin the 3rd TV part 2. The first part is more akin to the manga. Second series defined the Lupin most know now. Did you ever get to see the Gunsmith Cats OVA?


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Yup, even got animeigo Blu-ray of cats that just came out. I just saw the first lupin series not to long ago and the second half actually ends more similar to part 2 than I expected. First half definitely has that 60s spy vibe though.

I'm actually quite partial to part 3 since they do some crazy stuff in terms of camera work and stuff and it's actually quite stylish. I think the only series I didnt like was 4. Just felt like a total slog to me.
 

mortal

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Mobile Suit Gundam F91 (1991)

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A beautiful mess. It features some of the most amazing animation I've ever seen in a mecha anime. Love the the mobile suit designs and character designs. Really dig 80's time capsule aesthetic.

The writing and the storytelling however, felt very compressed and jumbled and suffers from terrible pacing. Too many ideas and plot elements are brought up, but aren't given enough time to stew.
Same for the cast as well. They're interesting enough, but there are so many characters, hardly any of them really are fleshed out enough to be memorable.

Apparently this was initially meant to serve as a sort of soft reboot after Char's Counterattack in 1988 concluded the previous storyline.
Yoshiyuki Tomino wanted this to be an OVA series, but at the last minute was advised to condense it down to become a feature length film. Which certainly explains a lot.

Despite all of its shortcomings, I still enjoy MS Gundam F91. Gorgeous vibrant art direction, phenomenal animation, and plenty of space opera melodrama with an entertaining cast of characters.
In my opinion it had all of the ingredients and potential to become a classic mocha series, had it been given the OVA treatment.
 
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Happosai

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Yup, even got animeigo Blu-ray of cats that just came out. I just saw the first lupin series not to long ago and the second half actually ends more similar to part 2 than I expected. First half definitely has that 60s spy vibe though.

I'm actually quite partial to part 3 since they do some crazy stuff in terms of camera work and stuff and it's actually quite stylish. I think the only series I didnt like was 4. Just felt like a total slog to me.
I still have the ADV VHS of Gunsmith Cats. They released it on Blu-ray?
 

Happosai

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Yeah it was a kickstarter project that came out a little while ago. They may still have a few copies on their website if you're lucky.
Gutted. Just found this disclaimer on AnimeEigo's site.

"Due to license territorial restrictions, almost all of our titles can only be shipped to destinations in the US and Canada."

I moved to Mexico in 2016, so I don't think I'll be buying that. For the price, too...that's about what my ADV version is worth. I also have the 3-episodes downloaded digitally in HQ on my PS3. If it's 40 + shipping, I'll save that for Kimagure Orange Road TV. Premium set is very nice and I would recommend anyone buy that if they're a serious collector.
 

Mobile Suit Gooch

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I have a question for you and anyone else reading regarding anime openings/closing music.
What's one anime you like but you can't stand the opening/end music?
Mine: Chiisana Koi No Melody (Eatman Opening)...I love Eatman but cringe Every time I hear that.
Also, the English opening for RayEarth Season One.
Hard to say since I like most opening and ending themes. I will say this though, Dragon ball GT English op is awful. It's like as if 4Kids made it.
 

Happosai

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Hard to say since I like most opening and ending themes. I will say this though, Dragon ball GT English op is awful. It's like as if 4Kids made it.
Listen to this...just 6-seconds. I get that localizing anime in the West helped make it popular but why did they dub songs? If they were going to dub...this voice...*cringe*
 

Mobile Suit Gooch

Grundle: The Awakening
Listen to this...just 6-seconds. I get that localizing anime in the West helped make it popular but why did they dub songs? If they were going to dub...this voice...*cringe*

Jesus. I like English dubs but not in the music. I don't wanna listen to real folk blues or inner universe in English.
 

kunonabi

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Gutted. Just found this disclaimer on AnimeEigo's site.

"Due to license territorial restrictions, almost all of our titles can only be shipped to destinations in the US and Canada."

I moved to Mexico in 2016, so I don't think I'll be buying that. For the price, too...that's about what my ADV version is worth. I also have the 3-episodes downloaded digitally in HQ on my PS3. If it's 40 + shipping, I'll save that for Kimagure Orange Road TV. Premium set is very nice and I would recommend anyone buy that if they're a serious collector.


Ah, that's unfortunate. I got the two collections for Kimagure from Discotek. Probably finish watching once I'm done with Lupin.
 
I'm tempted to go watch the Riki Oh OVAs. The violence in those was pretty wild.

I think Riki Oh might be one of the rare cases where the live action movie is a better adaption of comic than the animation. The second OVA came out a little better though. It's too bad the OVA's didn't adapt one of the later arcs where Riki fights some guy wearing Robocop's armour and near literal ED-209s. It was quite shameless... 😋
 

Happosai

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Jesus. I like English dubs but not in the music. I don't wanna listen to real folk blues or inner universe in English.
Imagine producing the English version of that. Some guy had to record those English vocals and hear them likely through a stereo system or headphones to record. It would have been better to just leave it as an instrumental than to put in vocals like that. Here's the other intro theme music that I couldn't stand. Some people might like it but the singer sounds like he's trying too hard to be a rock-star and his Engrish chorus of "Merody" doesn't help the performance. Eatman is a great OVA but the music throughout the series is just weird and doesn't fit in.
This is the full version...you'll have to skip about :56-seconds in where the edgy vocals start
 
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Orguss the original sequel to Macross. Of course that's sequel in the sense that it was the second in the "Super Dimension" trilogy (Southern Cross being the third) though despite some direct in-jokes referencing Macross it has no connection in story.

Although it follows a standard format, the premise and many episode to episode stories are a bit unusual and somewhat different from its post-Macross contemporaries. I can easily see why Carl Macek skipped adapting this iand used Mospeada to lengthen Robotech instead. Though the biggest problem for me is the cast who a real mixed bag, at best. The lead character is kinda a jerk-off, lead female is kinda a bitch, side characters are often used as little more than empty filler personas, most of the villains are weak and you're also bombarded with the annoying pedo-bait character Mome... It's too bad as they gave this series a decent budget, so there are some very nice looking episodes throughout.

The thing I'll always remember about this show though, is the ending. The series is a long build to reaching a specific location and once they get there a...situation occurs and after which I have no idea what exactly happens or what the ending is even supposed to represent. One of the stranger endings in anime. :pie_thinking:

Can only really recommend it to hardcores that have a general interest in mech shows from the era. There was an Orguss 02 in the 90s though I've never taken the time to view it and as I understand it, has little connection with the original series.

Also it appears Orguss' intro has been scrubbed from youtube? What's up with that?
 
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Happosai

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Orguss the original sequel to Macross. Of course that's sequel in the sense that it was the second in the "Super Dimension" trilogy (Southern Cross being the third) though despite some direct in-jokes referencing Macross it has no connection in story.

Although it follows a standard format, the premise and many episode to episode stories are a bit unusual and somewhat different from its post-Macross contemporaries. I can easily see why Carl Macek skipped adapting this iand used Mospeada to lengthen Robotech instead. Though the biggest problem for me is the cast who a real mixed bag, at best. The lead character is kinda a jerk-off, lead female is kinda a bitch, side characters are often used as little more than empty filler personas, most of the villains are weak and you're also bombarded with the annoying pedo-bait character Mome... It's too bad as they gave this series a decent budget, so there are some very nice looking episodes throughout.

The thing I'll always remember about this show though, is the ending. The series is a long build to reaching a specific location and once they get there a...situation occurs and after which I have no idea what exactly happens or what the ending is even supposed to represent. One of the stranger endings in anime. :pie_thinking:

Can only really recommend it to hardcores that have a general interest in mech shows from the era. There was an Orguss 02 in the 90s though I've never taken the time to view it and as I understand it, has little connection with the original series.

Also it appears Orguss' intro has been scrubbed from youtube? What's up with that?
Seems like I had this on LaserDisc years ago and may have lost it around 2010 (I accidentally tossed anime marked in the wrong movie bag from an apartment back in 2010). The intro getting scrubbed might be YouTube's whole copyright and remove/alter all copyrighted music thing. A lot of JP OSTs were with EMI and those usually get tagged for removal.
 
Seems like I had this on LaserDisc years ago and may have lost it around 2010 (I accidentally tossed anime marked in the wrong movie bag from an apartment back in 2010). The intro getting scrubbed might be YouTube's whole copyright and remove/alter all copyrighted music thing. A lot of JP OSTs were with EMI and those usually get tagged for removal.
Ah that's probably an expensive loss. I did used to see the VHS tapes floating around rental stores but I never was able to watch the series through until the dvd release a few years back. Seems the dvd is already oop and expensive, though luckily the series itself is on amazon prime, for now.

Regarding youtube, it's strange because the intro song and music can be found but you cannot watch the actual intro itself.
 

Happosai

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There are some songs I like better in English.






I first heard the Yu Yu Hakusho intros in Japanese, but the others were nice in English. The song Illusion for El Hazard: The Wanderers practically sold the series. I have the full version on disc somewhere but it's the Japanese version.
 

Happosai

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Ah that's probably an expensive loss. I did used to see the VHS tapes floating around rental stores but I never was able to watch the series through until the dvd release a few years back. Seems the dvd is already oop and expensive, though luckily the series itself is on amazon prime, for now.

Regarding youtube, it's strange because the intro song and music can be found but you cannot watch the actual intro itself.
Any LaserDisc anime release is now rare and they're almost limited to high-ball prices on eBay. Same thing happened with my RumikWorld VHS ' (Mermaids Scar, Laughing Target, Maris the Chojo, Fire Tripper, Mermaid Forest); I can't locate those either. I know I still have 3 of them. Fire Tripper was worn out pretty bad but Laughing Target and Mermaids Scar were still in great shape. When I moved to Mexico in 2016, all those were boxed up by my parents. I think they were all subbed.

I guess to find the full video on YouTube without intro is better than nothing. There was a guy on YouTube who made a classic anime channel last Fall 2019. He uploaded somewhere around 120 OVAs, movies, and a few series (including every carnation of Gunbuster). I was able to get the Mp4s of the unlicensed and expired titles but he uploaded some licensed anime and that did him in. I saw him uploading some pretty heavy copyrighted stuff in January and I backed-off. Sure enough, February YouTube shutdown all his accounts.
 
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