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Official July 2008 NPD Results Thread
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pr0cs said:
Both have a low value as far as the average consumer is concerned. The 360 may have a lower value among core gamers because of RROD, but dont think the PS3 is valued higher overall. The 360s library is much better and will only continue to get better as time goes on. If Microsoft is smart they will finally fix the RROD issue if they have not already so the newer supply of consoles dont hurt the value anymore. Even though the PS3 is also starting to come into its own ( I thought it was already there) the 360 still sales more software and that puts it in a better position to keep getting the top games.
Both are also going through a sales bump. PS3 is still up from MGS4 and the 360 is up from the price drop. I have no idea why anyone would have suspected the 360 to out sell the PS3 this month. If anything I thought the PS3 numbers would be higher.
DeaconKnowledge said:
I agree with you the Wii is already seeing better support. People keep forgetting that most publishers were not on board with the Wii before is launched like they were for the PS3 and 360. That is Nintendos fault for keeping it from everyone. First gen Wii games will still be coming out in 2009.
pr0cs
Member
onipex said:
The problem is price and value. The cost of Live, the extra cost for wireless, lack of a BD drive all weigh into consumers perception of the device.
I have a difficult time recommending the 360 at this point to anyone who hasn't bought a next gen machine because of the price and all the other things you get on the PS3, even if it's game library pales in comparison to the 360.
Sadly Microsoft seems to want to ride out their lead for the rest of this gen ensuring profitability rather than getting more gamers onboard. If you're a true gamer you'll have both machines but the casual audience is going to buy on of the two and at this point the 360 doesn't have the same value as the PS3.
More proof 360 sales are stagnating.
Look here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183381
July 2007 results thread.
360 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 1 397k
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 6 156k
360 NCAA football sales are the same year over year, while PS3 NCAA sales took a big jump.
Look here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183381
July 2007 results thread.
360 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 1 397k
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 6 156k
360 NCAA football sales are the same year over year, while PS3 NCAA sales took a big jump.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
The MGS4 bundle is by far the best entertainment value in stores right now. This is why I think PS3 beat X360 in July and is why it is continuing to sell well. People see a free game, Blu-ray, built-in wireless, free online-service, Dual Shock-3, etc etc and when they add it all up and compare it to X360, it is a significantly better value. People are a lot more comfortable with buying Blu-ray movies since the format war ended and I think as we see prices come down on Blu-ray movies, PS3 sales will continue to benefit from that.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Mrbob said:
:lol Well done.
BishopLamont
Banned
The game has crazy legs, I wouldn't be surprised it beats MK64 when it's all said and done. It'll beat it worldwide - that's a given, the MK64 wasn't as hot in Europe because of the N64's performance, but the Wii and MK Wii is a whole different story.Mithos Yggdrasill said:
speculawyer
Member
I think Blu-Ray may be helping the PS3 much earlier than I anticipated.
The PS3 is a much better value right now . . . only $50 to $100 more and it gives you free Wi-Fi and Blu-Ray playback.
MS needs to cut their price and/or integrate Wi-Fi and/or Blu-Ray.
The PS3 is a much better value right now . . . only $50 to $100 more and it gives you free Wi-Fi and Blu-Ray playback.
MS needs to cut their price and/or integrate Wi-Fi and/or Blu-Ray.
Myth.onipex said:
Everything's multiplatform. Almost all of the XBox 360's de-facto 3rd-party exclusives that released during its first year (before the PS3 was even out) have already been ported, or at least the series has since gone multiplatform with a sequel. Comdemned, Oblivion, GRAW, Enchanted Arms, R6 Vegas, Lost Planet etc etc have all become multiplatform games/franchises. There are very few exceptions left, like the Burger King games, or Bullet Witch. Err.
And due to the market shares between the two (installed base, but particularly ongoing sofware sales) evening out, this multiplatform reality will only continue. With every month that passes, it becomes harder for publishers to justify not doing a PS3 version of a game that comes out for the XBox 360. That wasn't so clearly the case early last year, but now it is, and Microsoft will have to put down ever-increasing amounts of money if it wants to secure exclusivity from a third party.
With CoD4 and Assassin's Creed the sales ratio XBox 360
S3 was about 3:1. With GTA IV it was about 2:1. With Soul Calibur IV and NCAA we're down to about 1.5:1, while at the same time the pie is growing in absolute terms as well. Publishers will not just freely give up those kinds of opportunity. So going forward you should rather expect less 3rd party exclusives for the XBox 360, timed or otherwise, not more.What remains as a library difference is first-party games and "second-party" games (published by the platform holder). Microsoft's first party has actually been shrinking. Rare, Silicon Knights, Turn 10 ... and I don't know anyone else ... FASA? Bungie is free now. They are most likely still bound to deliver exclusive games, but that agreement will run out. Bizarre isn't bound at all.
Mass Effect, Gears Of War, and Mistwalker RPGs, plus Rare's, Turn 10's and Silicon Knights' output is about the full extent of exclusives you can expect for the XBox 360 in the near future.
Sony OTOH controls an awful lot of studios. Really, they do.
juicyfruitas
Member
Shockingly low and very disappointing 360 numbers. Last month my brother, a neighbor and a co-worker each bought a $299 360 thanks to the price drop so based on that anecdotal evidence alone I easily expected to see 300k+ in sales for July.
On another note, last night I chuckled a bit when I saw a large Hispanic family (plenty of small kids) buying a $500 ps3 motorstorm bundle at my local BlockBuster - yep they still the Motorstorm bundle there.
On another note, last night I chuckled a bit when I saw a large Hispanic family (plenty of small kids) buying a $500 ps3 motorstorm bundle at my local BlockBuster - yep they still the Motorstorm bundle there.
Gamecocks625
Member
Mrbob said:
That's interesting. I was wondering what last year's July sales looked like. Wow, seriously the 360 version sold the exact amount from last year while the PS3 version increased by about 100K. I wonder what the overall sales of NCAA are compared to last year.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
juicyfruitas said:
What the hell is your avatar from?
TheRagnCajun
Member
Mrbob said:
Thats actually remarkable, almost exactly the same numer as last year for 360.
dead souls
Member
Yes Boss! said:
Yeah, I just shook my head when I read that remark.
poppabk said:
Just because some games like Braid are both creative AND low tech does not mean that all creative games can be made with lower tech.
I mean, seriously, is this what we have been reduced to in defending the Wii? Claiming its low-budget tech actually inspires more creativity?
I think it's pretty obvious that big budget devs clearly are not interested in developing big name games for the Wii, otherwise we would have actually heard about some of these games by now! Take a look at the upcoming slate of Wii games from 3rd party studios; the platform is the domain of loads of shovelware. If the Wii is supposed to inspire creativity, where is it?
TheRagnCajun
Member
I'm still trying to make sense of the NCAA and SCIV sales. So if you look at the numbers for the PS3 and 360 versions, then look at the install base in NA, doesn't that mean that PS3 actually had a higher attach rate? If so, isn't that, like, wrong?
titiklabingapat
Member
It means that the PS3 had a higher attach rate but the 360 still sold more. Attach ratios are useless to that effect if you ignore the trends.TheRagnCajun said:
Zoe
Member
Vinci said:
The point is you can't lump art into one category. For some artists, their vision is best realized in ways that can be achieved through the low-end systems. For other artists, they need the higher-end systems to achieve their vision.
A lower-end system is more likely to force an artist to make concessions. The end product may turn out to be great, but the exact same thing could have been reproduced on a higher-end system. The same can't be said the other way around.
Zoe said:
Or it might be what inspires them to use an eye-catching art style rather than what they were going to, thus turning what might've been an also-ran game into something innovative and successful. You see this happening throughout the history of gaming - where limitations provided inspiration where excess might have simply made developers wasteful or lazy, assuming that the technology will be there to save their game even if they could've used another art style to explore the game's concept.
EDIT: Understand, I'm a PC gamer as well. I love fancy graphics and shit, but sometimes it seems like devs lean on it too strongly rather than doing something on their end that makes their games truly special and stand out.
Zoe said:
Super Mario Galaxy runs circles around the majority of this "high-end" stuff, artistically speaking, and it has the disadvantage of running on a much more technologically inferior console. As stated above, Braid could be done in SD on a PS1.
Consoles are merely a form of canvas. What you see is a direct reflection of the artist's abilities. You don't absolutely have to have high-end 3D.
HondaF1Fanatic
Neo Member
Man, both HD consoles sold like crap, hopefully that does mean a price drop though, then I can get my Jasper for cheaper.
Private Hoffman
Banned
HondaF1Fanatic said:
Actually, both HD consoles sold relatively well; considerably more than last year.
Zoe said:
No, a truly great artist is someone who can take restrictions and still make something amazing within them. And it feels like some games could've been done on a less powerful system (like the Wii or PSP), used a more intriguing art style, and wouldn't have needed the vast development money whilst creating something equally good as what they'd have done with HD graphics and fewer limitations.
Limits, more often than not, don't stifle creativity any more than absolute freedom does.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
You know, at one time people were claiming which handheld was better on the basis of better graphics (PSP) vs. better control (DS). Now the argument has changed entirely; one is claimed superior not for its control or its graphics, but what game library it sports. THIS is what matters.