UberTag
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NPD Sales Results For June 2016 (new format, read OP)
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CertifiedFP
Member
Well, given the metric that Minecraft apparently sells 50k every week and is around the bottom half of the list, a rough estimate for those would be "Less than 200k."
Or, in revenue terms, less than $12 Million @ $60 retail. Less than $6 Million in the case of Valkyria @ $30 Retail
Japanmanx3
Member
Wow. Like when I read the coming changes I expected a switch-up but this is unprecedented. I'm crushed. Probably my last NPD thread.
Last 10 years (i.e. the Nov-2006 NPD that will live in infamy), but yeah, agreed.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Kinda sucks though 
The main reason this month is dead is because the numbers were leaked a week ago and lots of the discussion happened in the prediction thread. Yes, this new system sucks but we didn't exactly get a lot of information previously as well - other than the hardware order on each SKU the threads mostly involved parsing the PR until a figure was leaked and we had some hints about actual software numbers. If those numbers are still out there for subscribers like they've always been then I don't think the threads will be that much less fun and interesting as before. Of course if I'm wrong about that please let me know.
It is a pretty cynical move by NPD, though. It's like less than nothing.
It is a pretty cynical move by NPD, though. It's like less than nothing.
PackAPunchedMick
Member
So to top npd results for the month a game just needs to release $100 "collectors" edition or in-game loot boxes for $3?
RIP in peace NPD threads, I hardly knew thee.
RIP in peace NPD threads, I hardly knew thee.
boredandlazy
Member
Can you please point out where on the doll where the sales figures touched you?
In what sense? In their imaginary ranking on a chart? The devs know how much money they're pulling in and whether it's what they need or not. Nobody was going around putting "#8 in the February 2015 NPD Rankings" on the game box anyway, so aside from Warriors I'm not sure who's screwed.
Yep it's as easy as do you want fries with that. "so a PS4 with Uncharted 4, would you like GTAV with that?"
That's how I'm feeling about this revenue based ranking also.
Primethius
Banned
Revenue rankings suck. Makes it harder to get minimum numbers for other title based on their rank (e.g GTA V is atleast so and so if it's 3 and we know 4's data).
Petrae
Member
Well, this is a real shame. I'm sure that NPD has its reasons for making these changes-- which we can choose to believe or not believe-- but this format change all but kills any useful video game sales analysis (outside of quarterly and EOY results briefings).
For those of us who were armchair analysis hobbyists, this really stinks. I learned a lot of things over the last 8 years from visiting and participating in these threads. Having raw sales data enabled people to make reads of the industry at large. Without it, there's not much to discuss. The message is now controlled, and we're only allowed to know what the industry and NPD want us to know.
It was a great run, but all good things come to an end, I guess.
For those of us who were armchair analysis hobbyists, this really stinks. I learned a lot of things over the last 8 years from visiting and participating in these threads. Having raw sales data enabled people to make reads of the industry at large. Without it, there's not much to discuss. The message is now controlled, and we're only allowed to know what the industry and NPD want us to know.
It was a great run, but all good things come to an end, I guess.
And_Gignac
Member
Revenue rankings are really irrelevant. Inflation and price variations makes them historically useless.
What a shame. Hopefully a more serious competitor arrives.
What a shame. Hopefully a more serious competitor arrives.
Stilton Disco
Member
Well this sucks. Why release any information at all if it's this niche and mostly useless?
IAmAnAgnostic
Member
Didn't we get leaks before? Why not cross post them here?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I remember when NPD threads would go on for a 100 pages and get hundreds of thousands of views.....rest in peace ;__;
1st Course
Member
Reading a few threads back apparently microtransactions are not included.
So she actually wanted to return and not just have a proxy post numbers in her stead? I thought she wasn't allowed to by her employer. I wonder what happened. I miss her.
Well technically you could still post that gif with the focus on revenue now...
Yea alot of info was posted in the prediction thread. At times that thread got huge over the years too so maybe thats where most ppl will post now, who knows.
LordRaptor
Member
It does include digital, but only for selected companies who have opted to share that information with the NPD group, which is the primary reason these charts are worse than useless, because it is a comparative ranking of some games physical + digital versus other games physical only.
Yeah that's what I meant to post.
test_account
XP-39C²
Besides seeing which platform that sold the most for multiplatform games, i cant see this changing much from before, at least for me. For me, the interesting stuff was always from the leaks and PR statements since NPD stopped posting numbers themself.
CosmicQueso
Member
It's both publisher and platform based.
Only data from PSN XBL and Steam. Only for a select group of publishers. Only full game sales, no MTX or DLC.
So, no digital data for Minecraft, Doom and UC4 because Sony, Bethesda and Microsoft are not sharing digital data. But even if they were, only revenues from PSN XBL and direct purchases from Steam would be counted,
The Last One
Member
6 pages lol The end of an era.
Okay I understand the disappointment about the change from measurements to revenue instead of units. I agree with the sentiment.
But one thing I find bizarre is the idea that lower priced games (budget console titles, handheld games), are now 'screwed over'. How so? The tiles in question will sell just as well (or as bad!) as before, with the same amount amount of money going to the relevant entities involved.
For example say a new Fire Emblem or the upcoming Recore sell 300k (random made up numbers) units and would have ranked at number 5 on the old NPD system, but since they are lower priced would not enter the Top 10 now with the changes as their revenue per unit would be lower. Either way they sold 300k, so they don't miss out on anything just because some arbitrary ranking system has them higher or lower on a list
But one thing I find bizarre is the idea that lower priced games (budget console titles, handheld games), are now 'screwed over'. How so? The tiles in question will sell just as well (or as bad!) as before, with the same amount amount of money going to the relevant entities involved.
For example say a new Fire Emblem or the upcoming Recore sell 300k (random made up numbers) units and would have ranked at number 5 on the old NPD system, but since they are lower priced would not enter the Top 10 now with the changes as their revenue per unit would be lower. Either way they sold 300k, so they don't miss out on anything just because some arbitrary ranking system has them higher or lower on a list
June PSN top sellers
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/07/07/playstation-store-junes-top-downloads/
They mean screwed in the sense that we will not get a sense of how well they are selling. They are screwed because it will be very hard for them to break into top ten like you described.
Thanks for the explanation.
They're making 40x that with the microtransactions. Ok so I don't know how much they are making in microtransactions but it is very apparent by their actions that it is much more than they feel they would make with an SP expansion. So for them it makes sense not to pull people away from supporting the online game. Not that I don't want SP but it is what it is.
IAmAnAgnostic
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Uncharted 4 at 15 seems low. Bad word of mouth?