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NPD Sales Results for June 2007
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TheRipDizz
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My ass you did. You were trying to insert some shit in my mouth about Gamecube selling more than the PSX BS or whatever it was you thought I was saying :lol when this shit I'm supposedly "repeating" you on is what I've been trying to get across to you the entire time.AdmiralViscen said:
And I said it is my opinion RE4 should have brought the series back to a greater degree compared to where it had been since it is the absolute pinnacle of the series. You disagree with that assertion. Fine. Just don't call me out like somehow I'm some sort of idiot for interpreting shit differently than you cause I'll proceed to do the same and then where are we at?
There are seven 3rd party 360 titles in the Top 25 this month, 2 PS3 titles and 1 Wii title. The 360 titles are almost all full price releases of new IPs. The Wii title is a budget release of an established franchise. That is the relevant comparison.JJConrad said:
If there had been 7 good original Wii titles released this month, would they all have done well? Perhaps. The point is, no one knows yet whether it will prove to be a viable platform. Publishers are starting to experiment a bit, trying to figure out what works. Hopefully, it will turn out to be a viable platform for some types of games.
My original point was simply that Wii introduces a large dose of uncertainty into the market. Public companies like the EAs and the Take Twos of the world (and yes, those ARE good examples) loath uncertainty and risk above all else. The fact they're cautiously experimenting with the platform doesn't mean that they're happy about dealing the uncertainty of a platform that they can't reliably sell on.
AdmiralViscen
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TheRipDizz said:
Well, your shit made no sense, what do you want? God forbid I actually think you were talking about Wii vs GC/PS2 instead of GC/PS2 vs PS1. This is NPD 2007, not 2004.
I said about 5 posts ago that it is asinine to think that a fourth port of this game was going to send a bum rush of displaced RE fans from a decade ago back into the series. Period. Everything else I said was extraneous.
I never actually thought you thought GCN sold better than PS1, I GUESS IT WENT RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD LOL WOW I'M GOOD
Grampa Simpson
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DarkMage619
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Jammy said:
These are some interesting statements. So seeing how well Red Steel, Sonic and Secret Rings, Rayman and some other titles sold on the Wii do you think that Wii should be the foundational platform for all 3rd party titles like the PS2 was for the last generation? Does anyone think that game quality overall would improve with the Wii as lead platform? How does the Wii make 3rd party games better than what could be offered on the PS3 or the 360? Also do you think there is any chance of a 3rd party title doing as well or better than a staple Wii title? I have my own opinion but I'd like see what what GAF thinks.
The Dark One
AdmiralViscen
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bmf said:
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I'm glad I got that macro rolling
Bildi said:
They make the games a hell of a lot more interesting.
Look, I was a Wii only guy not so long ago myself. But since owning a 360 I'm convinced achievements are one of the most amazing inventions in gaming for quite some time. When you get bored of playing a game conventionally, you can go off and do other random things for fun. Then other people can have a look at your profile and see all the little things you've done and instantly know how good you are / how much you like the game.
Sure, in Dead Rising I could have just put funny masks on 10 zombies on any console. But add in a real achievement for that, with a little icon that pops up on screen indicating this when you successfully do it. It just makes it all the more worth while. There have been times where I've gotten bored of the story progression and just played for hours to get achievements. It adds real replayability to games. And that is an indisputable fact.
Gary Whitta
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Well, the slightly longer answer is that they help compel people to buy the 360 version of a multi-format title over the PS3 version. And they make the game more gratifying to play.Bildi said:
AdmiralViscen
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DarkMage619 said:
No console is going to be PS2 this gen. It's why everyone should shut up and chill out about the console race, all three players are secure.
And yes, I think there is a great deal of untapped potential in the Wii control scheme. I tremains to be seen if 'game quality overall' would improve, that's a stupid, loaded, unanswerable question. I don't see why the type of people who shrug off $600 purchases can't just park a Wii next to their PS3 or 360 and have the best of both worlds, it's not like you have to choose.
There is nothing stopping a well-marketed third party game from doing as well as this or that first party title. Unless you're comparing it to freebie controller pack-ins.
titiklabingapat
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The argument was that third party titles designed with the Wii in mind with full backing WILL SELL.DarkMage619 said:
And of course, there's always waggle. Whether or not it improves the game over the 360/PS3 is a moot point and is largely subjective.
I dunno, I just don't see it - I think achievements are utterly wasted in almost every case. Seeing a little thing pop up at the bottom of the screen saying I drove 500 miles in DiRT did as little for me as every other achievement.Mar_ said:
If there were some reward other than adding to your gamerscore I'd say fine, but they just do absolutely nothing for me. Honestly, there are so many games out I wouldn't replay a game just to get achievements if the game is actually boring. It's like playing to the end of a horrid game just to say you did it. Some people get a kick out of that. I'd rather just play a good game.
It's cool though - each to their own.
Son of Godzilla
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Test Drive Unlimited uses Achievements perfectly. The entire point of the game is to rack up achievement points. Completing races, collecting cars, exploring the island, all of adds to your achievement points, and how many achievement points you have determines what your rank is in the game.
Stormbringer
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TheRipDizz said:
Why can't Capcom be completely happy that they are on their way to beat their original sales projections on this title ? I would think that the sales projections and the price are ajusted so the former translate a certain (probably comfortable) return on investment for the company, so isn't this good news when the results go beyond that ? Sure, it's obvious that deep inside, every publisher would like his games to sell the most theorically possible. But it's not inconceivable that Capcom simply kept their expectations down-to-earth in this case, and that they could be perfectly content with just meeting, or even beating their sales forecasts for this game. They really can't be blamed for that.
TheRipDizz
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My shit made perfect sense. Like I said, you just failed to grasp it.AdmiralViscen said:
And you're still putting words in my mouth. How does "bring back the faithful more than it did" get translated to "was going to send a bum rush of displaced RE fans from a decade ago back into the series." F*****.
The deviation between what the REs did on the PSX and what they did on the PS2/GC is huge. While not exactly bringing everyone back, I think it should have brought more faithful back than it did, since 1: It was the absolute pinnacle of the series and 2: It was selling to a shitton more possible people. It's an opinion based on those points. You don't agree. Cool. This shit's not that hard dude.
Gary Whitta
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Do you dislike the entire concept of scores in games? Because achievements and ranks are really just the modern evolution of a concept that is as old as gaming itself.Bildi said:
Grampa Simpson
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Didn't I explain this already? Achievements are a new form of porn. Some people masturbate to them.Bildi said:
Son of Godzilla
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More races and cars, just like any racing game.Bildi said:
The whole build up your driver any way you choose through achievements goes *really* well with the open ended world thing it has going on.
Christoff Yurievich
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I'm a serious Nintendo fan and I bought a PS3 before I bought a Wii and it wasn'tNorse said:
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DarkMage619
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AdmiralViscen said:
Judging by the raging sales I do not think that Wii-PS2 comparsions are unwarranted. Sure Wii hasn't sold as well as the PS2 RIGHT NOW, but given time if demand keeps up across all parts of the globe there is a real chance for it to establish a significant installed base.
As far as game quality improving overall being 'stupid, loaded, and unanswerable question', time and time again I see many GAFers quick to fire off insults and belittle others comments but less and less time actually thinking and responding with something of substance.
Of course game quality is subjective, but if the masses find that a Wii title offering something that they want over what they many find on other consoles, then for them at least, the quality was improved overall. I was really trying to see if the current sales of 3rd party multi-platform titles were reflecting this or if people were just excited to see the Wii sell in general. Sorry my question was so beneath you.
There is always choice involved with consoles and their game libraries. I am just tring to see if the Wii is offering the variety to compliment its great hardware sales. Only time will tell if the Wii sales are just because of the fantastic price or if its something deeper. BUT judging sales of current multiplatform titles is at least a basis to deterimine what is driving the Wii.
I still think that it is the 1st party or Nintendo published titles that make up the foundation of Nintendo's base of sales. Checking the software charts I still see Nintendo dominating but not so much of the 3rd party representation. Things may change but for now it is what it is. I do also believe that the Wii will need to provide a platform that ALL generes of title can perform and not just ones that fit into a certain mold if it going to be a true platform lead like the PS2. What ever happens it WILL be an interesting generation.
The Dark One
I have no problem with scoring in games if that is the objective of the game. Achievements are an extra thing, many of which involve no extra effort or skill on the part of the player other than beyond what is required to advance in the game normally.Gary Whitta said:
I guess what I'm saying is that winning races opens races and cars as far as I know, and achievements don't open anything additional (again, as far as I know).Son of Godzilla said:
It's OK guys, I'm not trying to make any point. Achievements do it for some people and not for others. I'm a big 360 fan (except reliability which no sane person could defend) and achievements have nothing to do with with the enjoyment I derive from the 360. Which probably says a lot about the games themselves.
Gary Whitta said:
No one should have a problem with the concept itself, just the inane implication that the 360 is somehow alone in this regard. I mean, I don't recall playing Sonic Rush, Dance Dance Revolution, Guitar Hero, Puyo Puyo, etc. on the 360, but I certainly recall each one of those games keeping track of ranks, scoring, etc. and giving added incentive and replay value as a result of that.
Phife Dawg
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I personally don't care about achievements, as long as they are limited to single player.Mar_ said:
But ffs keep that shit out of multiplayer games. Everytime I'm playing ET:QW Beta there are a bunch of stat/achievement whores who don't give a f*ck about the mission/objective just to gain points/ranks no one apart from themselves care about.
The 3rd party failure-on-Wii myth will die eventually. Don't know if anyone ever pointed it out, but end of financial year 2006, Lost Planet + Dead Rising had sold 1.37million/1.22million whereas Rayman + Red Steel sold 830k/900k.
There is still a 4/500k difference, but considering that a/ Red Steel was killed by negative buzz, b/ it was competing with Zelda, c/ LP/DR were supposed to be the two big examples of how awesome 3rd party sales are on 360 + d/ LP/DR were selling on a larger install base.. they're closer than you'd think right?
And before anyone says 'but RS was a piece of shit', I think you can only counter that by saying, you're right, and imagine how much better it would have sold if it weren't.
There is still a 4/500k difference, but considering that a/ Red Steel was killed by negative buzz, b/ it was competing with Zelda, c/ LP/DR were supposed to be the two big examples of how awesome 3rd party sales are on 360 + d/ LP/DR were selling on a larger install base.. they're closer than you'd think right?
And before anyone says 'but RS was a piece of shit', I think you can only counter that by saying, you're right, and imagine how much better it would have sold if it weren't.
People are taking and derailing Bildi's reply to achievements..out of content.
Anihawk asked what did they do?
Answer: Nothing
Anihawk asked if gamers win or can buy anything with those points?
Answer: Nope, you can't buy anything
So how does that translates into hating the general concept of scores and gaming, etc..??
He wasn't lying or anything..I mean..let's be real..
Achievements are fun and everything..but aside of the many that buy and rent every 360 game out there just to get the achievements and up that 20,000 points score..there's nothing else to gain..and many just like to get achievemtns, because others got them..not because they actually want to.
Is not like the first gamer to get 1,000,000 achievements points is going to receive something, unless that's something Microsoft is planning... .. :lol
Anihawk asked what did they do?
Answer: Nothing
Anihawk asked if gamers win or can buy anything with those points?
Answer: Nope, you can't buy anything
So how does that translates into hating the general concept of scores and gaming, etc..??
He wasn't lying or anything..I mean..let's be real..
Achievements are fun and everything..but aside of the many that buy and rent every 360 game out there just to get the achievements and up that 20,000 points score..there's nothing else to gain..and many just like to get achievemtns, because others got them..not because they actually want to.
Is not like the first gamer to get 1,000,000 achievements points is going to receive something, unless that's something Microsoft is planning... .. :lol
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.dmc said:
What were expectations for UBI with those games? Capcom only thought DR would do 600k.
Karma Kramer
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.dmc said:
why did you use LP and DR as examples of 360 3rd party software sales?
I like the idea of achievements, but I hate when developers put in achievements for things that you would never want to do (and are not fun, the only reason to do them is for the points). Thankfully these are rare from what I have seen. I can't speak for others, but if there were an Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of a game and both versions were the same, I would pick the Xbox 360 version because of achievements.
BTW, didn't a "person" already hit the 1 million mark? I say "person", because I think it was proven that it was a group of people sharing the account.
BTW, didn't a "person" already hit the 1 million mark? I say "person", because I think it was proven that it was a group of people sharing the account.
fernoca said:
I replied with a longer version of 'they add replayability'.
Look it's fine if a number of you guys don't see the point in them. All I know is that for me, it's a revelation and one that's new to me because I just bought the console. I've been playing games since the 80s doing little shit for no reward other than for my own gratification. Finish a game on one credit. Finish a game on one life. Finish a game without getting hit. Whatever. Now, with achievements, those little things are actually added to my profile and I like it. I like it a hell of a lot.
As for it being annoying in multiplayer games. I'm not much of a multiplayer competitive gamer so I can't really say much. But at least it adds more players online, even if they are just being idiots.
TheRipDizz
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They are what you make them. I think thta's the best part about them. They can denote "renting games that have easy to get achievements" achievment whore(which is cool if that's what you and your buddies are into), experience in certain games, a combination of both, whatever. The fact that the entire thing's transparent means the system is legit for any purpose you deem fit. It's a great asset for the 360.fernoca said:
titiklabingapat
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Shoulda announced more Wii third party games.hyp said:
Yeah, but is not like AniHawk was asking for a deep/personal experience on what do you feel by achievements.Mar_ said:
I mean..
If someone around the street asks you about Xbox 360 games achievements, and what they do..and you say "replayability"..for many, that means new levels, new content or stuff..but for many others, playing the same game..in harder difficutly, just to get an extra 100 points next to you username....wouldn't mean much.
The short answer way to the original question is still a No...
The fact that people enjoy getting achievements and get to spend more times playing their games is another thing...
In my case, I like achievements..but I only like them in the games I really want to get them (I don't get them in every game), like in Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3... (though those sucked, I mean..a 3 hit combo? Perform a Fatality? I got 9 of the 10 achievements just during the first 5-10 minutes after buying the game).. :lol ..that was the only game I cared for achievements and they sucked, and is because I love MK...Winning 100 online matches was more interesting, but that was only 1 achievement ..out of 10..
In the first months after the PS3 and Wii were released, we were comparing their sales relative to the 360 in the same time period. It was considered unfair to compare sales head-to-head because there was no way they could compete with the one-year headstart. Six months later, we are no longer doing that. In fact, we are now putting the Wii's software sales to a disadvantage by ignoring first party sales as the only method to make the 360 look better. In June of last year, the 360's third party sales were no better than the Wii's third party sales this month. No one questioned the viability of the 360 then, like they are the Wii today. It's software sales were called "phenomenal" despite lacking strong 1st party sales. At the rate the Wii is going, there is very little time left before even 3rd party sales outsell the competition.
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Worldwide Sales of all Resident Evil Titles Over One Million
1. Resident Evil 5,080,000
Original PSone | 2,750,000
Director's Cut | 1,130,000
Dual Shock Ver | 1,200,000
2. Resident Evil 2 4,960,000
3. Resident Evil 4 3,600,000
GameCube | 1,600,000
PlayStation 2 | 2,000,000
4. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis 3,500,000
5. Resident Evil CODE: Veronica 2,540,000
Dreamcast | 1,140,000
PlayStation 2 | 1,400,000
6. Resident Evil Outbreak 1,450,000
7. Resident Evil (GameCube) 1,300,000
8. Resident Evil Zero 1,250,000Source: http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/data/million.html
RE4 will reach 4 Million thanks to the Wii version. And thanks to continuing PS2 sales and further sales of the Wii version, RE4 won't be far off from RE1 and RE2. It's already beyond RE3.
edwardslane said:
Not arguing that. As MS and Sony get closer to market sweet spot, I predict fewer people will buy the Wii. I'm not arguing that the market is zero-sum, but there certainly is a pool of likely console buyers out there. Most people are just waiting for price-drops on the PS3/360 IMO. The Wii is cheap enough that a price drop isn't necessary to sell them.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Just want to inaugurate my new avatar in this thread
Go wii
Go wii
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
AdmiralViscen said:
i really dont understand, the "fake" numbers said that PSP was a lot less? are we allowed to say whether or not what ballpark they were in? cause i didn't see them, so i dont understand.