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NPD Sales Results for December 2014 [Up2: Nintendo Sales Notes]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Not much; its not a very expensive device minus the Kinect. They will be losing money as its clear their putting a lot into marketing. That is the sort of money they can make back as oppose to loss leading on the production cost itself (i.e. PS3).
Steverulez
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Loses are presumably smaller on the Vanilla $349 console vs the AC bundle as well because they have to pay Ubisoft for the games on that one.
A year from launch... minus Kinect, I think its possible they're not losing much, or at least, buying a game or two and XBL/accessories would turn a profit on that console
Final Verdict
Member
Considering they were selling it with two games at $330 on BF, I think they are most likely making a profit on it at $350. Not as big of a profit as Sony is making at $400 obviously, but a profit still.
I am expecting an official drop to $299 at some point this year too.
Either way though, they would still make a profit at the end of the day with XBL subs + software sold....XB1 has an impressive attach rate, so they make good money that way too.
I also wonder if before going for the price-drop they thought: we might as well quit if we don't go all out and at least put up a fight in our home territory.
Do they believe in riding it out this gen focusing as much as possible on the USA market which is the only place where can make any sort of stride?
2015 is going to be a very telling year for how the generation will pan out, now that both consoles will be in high gear in terms of game releases and Wii U is a non-factor.
Do they believe in riding it out this gen focusing as much as possible on the USA market which is the only place where can make any sort of stride?
2015 is going to be a very telling year for how the generation will pan out, now that both consoles will be in high gear in terms of game releases and Wii U is a non-factor.
qa_engineer
Member
How is any of this a surprise? The console cost less than the competitors platform and they were practically giving bundles away. More consoles sold within a short time frame usually means more games sold. Doesn't it?
2015 will only be a telling year for the US market. Worldwide the race is already over.
theprodigy
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Aquamarine
Member
Oh, definitely. If this was like Classified information from the gov't, just avoiding summary posts would be totally unacceptable. "Security through obscurity is no security." Here, we're just trying to not get anyone in trouble by providing simply traceable lines between data and sources about something that some of us hobbyists care about tracking but by no means can afford the cost to do so in a comprehensive manner.
it's all about exposure.
vague one-time leaks lost in the white noise of a massive thread don't have nearly the same impact as easily-digestible, easily-quotable, easily-copy-and-pasted massive summaries of live data from their just-released ridiculously expensive report.
the npd group / the other big players behind this are fickle. their policies change on a whim...what might have been perfectly fine 3 years ago is now a big problem, etc.
we all know how the npd group used to voluntarily give gaf exclusive data. now look where we're at.
*shrug* i don't know, man. i'm just trying to stay on their good side
they have the power to shut things down on gaf just like they did back in 2006 when large amounts of npd leaks were just blatantly copy and pasted.
also, they were really pissed off about the gamecrate leak summaries.
hey now, it will be a telling year in Japan too!
Europe is more than settled, true. But for the USA and Japan we will get a better picture. Which one will come out on top in the USA and if the PS4 is going to seriously take off in Japan or not.
As for the rest of the world, I'd say it's pretty much settled in favour of the PS4 like in Europe. Except maybe in Brazil and perhaps China, which is looking to be more a non-factor than what one might have expected or wished.
On hourly chart on Amazon both PS4 and Bone fall.
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0
January stagnation?
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0
January stagnation?
Liabe Brave
Member
We don't know--and likely won't ever--if the hardware itself is profitable at the lowered price. But given the bundles, gift cards, etc. Microsoft themselves predicted lost revenues of over a billion dollars during the holiday.
Huge Christmas software volume will likely keep them in positive margin, but the opportunity costs of their strategy are immense. Even with Live fees and game licenses and other ecosystem gains, they'll probably be clawing back the lost revenue of the past two months for the next couple of years.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Eh, seems pretty normal, especially considering how long last gen was. DS dropped about that much from 2010 -> 2011. Xbox plummeted in 2006 after 360 released: we're talking <10k each month from August to October. I don't have exact numbers for the holiday season, but my guess is <200k for both months. It was >600k the previous year.
TheRagnCajun
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I thought it was more expensive than PS4, even without Kinect. Some of the early BOM estimates seemed to indicate as such anyways. It was only a short 6 months ago that they released the sku at $399, and I'm not sure they were profitable with that sku at that point in time. Has MS made any statements about profitability on hardware since launch?
unapersson
Member
Does it really matter when it's digital cards above them? (along with Just Dance, Zelda and a free copy of Wolf Among Us).
CosmicQueso
Member
Compared to last gen, yes it absolutely is.
But last time Guitar Hero almost single handedly gave the PS2 another year of life in the US market.
We also had the MS and Sony releases in different years... that also helped extrend the transition.
But yeah, been a quick move this time, even in territories that have historically been slow to move to new boxes.
In the case of the Xbox, MS stopped making them pretty much as soon as they started making the 360.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
The PS2 seems to be the only console not to experience a plummet. It was selling over a million and a half up to 2009.
Welfare
Member
So basically it was doing that good until the PS3 actually got its shit together.
Yep, the PS2 had months where it outsold the PS3 and 360 as late as February 2008.
sixteen-bit
Member
I wonder if we'll ever see a console so ubiquitous ever again
Welfare
Member
The 360 was outselling the Wii U some months last year.
PS3 as well, early on.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Btw, did we ever get updated LTDs for the "Wii" titles on Wii U? Like Party, Fit U, and Sports Club? Kind of curious how they all sold (I assume pretty badly).
Updated numbers for MK Wii and NSMB would also be interesting, knowing both were among top 30/40 best selling games on amazon in 2014. Pretty crazy legs.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Wasn't there a press release about NSMBWii hitting the milestone of 10M sales in the US or something recently?
Aquamarine
Member
the original xbox only sold 4k in november 2006 and 5k in december 2006.
it was absolutely, positively, dead.
microsoft completely abandoned original xbox retail once the 360 was out.
theprodigy
Member
by 30-40 you mean #55 and #63 respectively?
also Gamecube controller sneaking in at #100 in 2014, nice!
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Wow... that's interesting to say the least. Those still might be more than the usual sales of the XB1 in a month in Japan.... T_T
350 is giving something away now? But more to the point, much like the 360 the Xbone has a higher attach rate than the PS4. It had that higher attach rate before the bundles too.
Papacheeks
Banned
Unless you can prove it, prior to November for Xbox, I don't buy it. When sales show PS4 versions of multiplat's in the NPD thread's were higher.
Aquamarine
Member
Unless you can prove it, prior to November for Xbox, I don't buy it. When sales show PS4 versions of multiplat's in the NPD thread's were higher.
the xbox one has had a consistently higher cumulative retail tie ratio than the ps4 every single npd month from its launch back in november 2013 through december 2014.
the retail tie ratio as of december 2014 was 3.88 for xbox one and 3.68 for ps4.
Didn't Sony say recently that their attach rate was 4.48 or something?
Aquamarine
Member
if sony said that, they were probably including digital
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Unless you can prove it, prior to November for Xbox, I don't buy it. When sales show PS4 versions of multiplat's in the NPD thread's were higher.
Well I've been saying it for months, so
#recepits
You didn't remove non games items, did you? I only took games into account some time ago, I'm pretty sure it was in the 30/40s. Nuts.
CosmicQueso
Member
Unless you can prove it, prior to November for Xbox, I don't buy it. When sales show PS4 versions of multiplat's in the NPD thread's were higher.
My receipts show someone doesn't understand how tie ratios work.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Hahaha. Seems like we've found the Batman signal for folks who know things =). "Show me the receipts" =P.
Mikey Jr.
Member
I wonder if there is any sort of information that can be extrapolated from PSN money in top 3 spots at $80, and $10 XBL at #7.
theprodigy
Member
indeed, PS4 annihilates the Xbox One in the rest of the world
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Yep. That's a system going out fast. If my numbers are right it sold about the same amount in 2006 as the Vita did last year. Now doesn't that tell you something...
Mikey Jr.
Member
I am specifically talking about the American amazon site.
Welfare
Member
It's not just Americans buying those gift cards.
Yea Amazon is a really good place for Expats like myself to pick up PSN $ whilst overseas. Most everyone else I know with PS4s and PS3s here does it too.
Welfare
Member
Click above if you want to see the 360 overtaking the Wii =P
Right before the lines connect: "Ahhhhh"
They connect: Pause
Green line comes out on top: "Yeah"
NamikazeBurst
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Were any numbers ever given for Watch Dogs Wii U first month, second month, or LTD sales?
CosmicQueso
Member
So tired of that f'ing gif being thrown out in completely dumb ways. It's rampant.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Or even a hint. Watch Dogs Wii U #s in terms of Batman Arkham Origins Wii U first month #s =).