electroplankton
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Those figures are depressing, people kept buying launch title but below UMvsC sold quite a low amount of units.
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NPD June 2012 Results [Up1: Microsoft/Nintendo Hardware, Lego Batman 2, Lollipop]
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So they dont include downloads? Right?
Bruno MB
Member
Thanks for the numbers creamsugar.
There isn't anything unexpected.
I only find somewhat noticeable the good performance of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (I thought Mortal Kombat would outsell it but its sales are really pitiful) and the complete flop of Metal Gear Solid HD Collection.
There isn't anything unexpected.
I only find somewhat noticeable the good performance of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (I thought Mortal Kombat would outsell it but its sales are really pitiful) and the complete flop of Metal Gear Solid HD Collection.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
Yes, it's up now:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/174143/Gamasutras_halfyear_US_video_game_retail_sales_analysis.php
I'm not sure Matt posted enough inflammatory Wii comments this go-round to get his usual bunch of crazy comments, but it's otherwise solid.
IMO articles like this are almost pointless if they dont include online store revenue from downloadable games and DLC as they could be contributing as much as 50% to total software revenue. I really dont think the industry is a bleak as some think as revenues from this sector have been increasing.
I know this year I've spent 2x as much money on PSN than I have than at retail.
We can't say for sure, but I don't think the growth in digital sales has anywhere near outpaced the decline in retail sales. The occasional game like Minecraft or Trials might sell a million copies on XBLA, but that can't make up for a 30% decrease in full-priced retail software.
Opus Angelorum
Member
I think 50% is reaching, 10-15% is more likely.
shinra-bansho
Member
Digital most definitely isn't making up revenue being down 30%...
For reference, the total installed base right now is ~680K.
No idea... don't think it would make a huge difference.
For reference, the total installed base right now is ~680K.
Pretty amazing tie ratio for Uncharted then, especially if it doesn't include digital.
Opus Angelorum
Member
As low as that? I thought it was higher. It's been on the market now for...five months?
Indeed, but expected.
shinra-bansho
Member
380K is from pixel counting Nintendo's chart.
Then 75+50+75 for April, May, June approximates.
Also based on the figures from creamsugar the Vita's attach rate is at least 1.4, but presumably higher.
Not sure if that's good or bad. Probably the latter.
Then 75+50+75 for April, May, June approximates.
Also based on the figures from creamsugar the Vita's attach rate is at least 1.4, but presumably higher.
Not sure if that's good or bad. Probably the latter.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Then you're advocating no articles be written about the current financial state of the industry, as those numbers are not released by the platform holders. NPD does a quarterly round-up on used games and digital content, but it's just based on their user-response surveys instead of how they track retail sales (i.e. through retailers). Then you run into the issue of comparing apples to oranges. Current sales including used games and digital vs. old sales for new retail only.
In other words, there's not a way to do comparisons with public information, so we use what we got.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
the reason why I said it could be as much as 50% is cause its more than just the downloadable games on there that bring in the revenue. You have the DLC, themes and avatars, the video store, and services like PS+. I mean just the other day there was this article on gaf about how MS is making billions off of advertising on the 360 dashboard.
your right. I guess its not pointless, but im just pointing out that painting the "doom and gloom picture" isnt right or fair if you dont include info on this stream of revenue which is very significant.
Version 3.0
Member
It's significant, yes. And obviously digital sales (awful misnomer, by the way) can carry a higher profit margin, so they may be even more important by that metric vs. revenue.
But although we don't have much information on digital sales, nor does anyone have a good industry-level overview of that segment, we aren't completely blind to it. The data that is available indicates that digital sales do not make up the difference, and the doom and gloom is not out of place, but only exaggerated.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Did jvm post his Vita estimate? When I skimmed over his article I didn't see it.
This post has suddenly made Yakuza 4 the undisputed best Yakuza game. Universe works in funny ways.
creamsugar
Member
3DS top 20 LTD
01. SM 3D Land
2m
02. MK7
1.5m
03. Zelda
1m
400k
04. Pokemon
05. SF64 3D
06. SSF4 3D
300k
07. KI:U
08. Lego SW3
09. PR
250k
10. Sonic
11. Spyro
200k
12. Olympic
13. Dog cat bulldog
14. Dog cat retriever
15. Dog cat toy
16. Lego PotC
150k
17. RE:R
18. Asphalt 3D
19. Rayman 3D
20. SMB 3D
130k
01. SM 3D Land
2m
02. MK7
1.5m
03. Zelda
1m
400k
04. Pokemon
05. SF64 3D
06. SSF4 3D
300k
07. KI:U
08. Lego SW3
09. PR
250k
10. Sonic
11. Spyro
200k
12. Olympic
13. Dog cat bulldog
14. Dog cat retriever
15. Dog cat toy
16. Lego PotC
150k
17. RE:R
18. Asphalt 3D
19. Rayman 3D
20. SMB 3D
130k
Ouch...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So Nintendogs has probably sold over 600,000? Bah. Not deserving.
3 * (between 150k to 200k) actually.
So RE:R is closer to 150k than 130k, right?
metalslimer
Member
Wow Revelations is a bomb. Most everything else on that list is decent though. Star Fox 64 3D selling that much is pretty damn good and bodes well for a future entry. Kid Icarus I feel like Nintendo definitely wanted more from. It will probably crawl to a million LTD when all is said and done.
Between 130 and 150 yes.
Well... I guess by 2012 handheld standards.
Between 130 and 150 yes.
Well... I guess by 2012 handheld standards.
At least it sold better than RE: Mercs 3D
Stealth20k
Banned
i think revelations did pretty great
great enough for them anyway
great enough for them anyway
I'm surprised and happy that Star Fox did well. I'd love a brand new Star Fox game, just on-rails shooter this time.
metalslimer
Member
Well... I guess by 2012 handheld standards.
I think it's decent considering how bad the system started off. Star Fox 3D selling over 300k along with Super Street Fighter 4. Mario Kart and 3D Land doing amazing considering the install base (or even without it). The 3DS release list has been pretty barren. 3rd party wise, Kingdom hearts, Castlevania, and Epic Mickey are the games to watch this year.
I don't know how you could think sub 150k is great for a big budget title like that.
metalslimer
Member
It would be kind of surprising if it didn't considering it's been on sales for 5 bucks multiple times. I would think just from how many copies Nintendo printed plus dumb parents picking up the cheapest thing would get it over there. Definitely the biggest Nintendo flop in a long time. Probably not in terms of money lost since it looks like it was made by only a few people, but I remember Miyamoto talking about it like it was going to be some niche hit
I mean, given how bad retail is at this point, it doesn't look that bad.
However, I feel I should point out that we're in a market where Max Payne 3, the flagship Rockstar May title developed by five studios, sold less in its debut month than Dante's Inferno did back in February 2010.
And I mean people weren't exactly giving Dante Inferno's performance a standing ovation relative to past years either.
The bad side of this though is that the new handhelds seem to have done very little to stimulate the market out of the "the very top does insanely well, but everything else looks quite mediocre to poor" state it is in.
metalslimer
Member
Well to be honest I don't expect the market situation to change anytime soon for the market that doesn't include DD, F2P, and other revenue streams not counted. I don't expect new consoles to drastically change anything either. I know one thing for sure, and that's neither 3DS or Vita will have truly successful markets at the current hardware/software pricing scheme.
Out of curiosity, are you expecting it to stabilize or continue its current rate of decline?
For reference: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...fyear_US_video_game_retail_sales_analysis.php
Out of curiosity, are you expecting it to stabilize or continue its current rate of decline?
For reference: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...fyear_US_video_game_retail_sales_analysis.php
I think the boost of 2008-2009 will never happen again. This generation of sales will not happen next-generation, and sales will return to what we saw during the PS2 era.
metalslimer
Member
Out of curiosity, are you expecting it to stabilize or continue its current rate of decline?
For reference: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...fyear_US_video_game_retail_sales_analysis.php
Well I certainly expect an uptick due to the price of the new consoles being sold added into the revenue, but I don't expect to see the market remain in a state where the current software sales remain as they are. The argument being put forth is that people are bored with the current gen. I think that the expectations is that the jump in visual fidelity will get people excited again, but I don't see that happening this time. This is all compounded by the sluggish economy and various other cheaper methods of entertainment
Edit: The interesting part about the graph is that if you remove the Wii and DS from the equation the results of 2007,8, and 9 would look absolutely horrible. The reason people started to notice the decline in the market is exactly because the Wii market fell apart and Nintendo decided to replace the DS honestly earlier than it needed to be.
Since I clicked the button before you edited.
Battlefield Premium sold 800,000 copies in two week. Even if we assume that only half of that was the U.S., that's still essentially a 400,000 copy selling game that would have once been retail.
Honestly I have to agree with you here, especially relative to their predecessors.
Yeah, especially since you can now also choose to spend all your new game money digitally on the game you already bought, or very likely pick from a ton of f2p console games next generation, retail doesn't really seem likely to ever recover.
Battlefield Premium sold 800,000 copies in two week. Even if we assume that only half of that was the U.S., that's still essentially a 400,000 copy selling game that would have once been retail.
metalslimer
Member
Of course I don't mean this sound like a gaming is doomed rant. If you like your Final Fantasies, Grand Theft Autos, Marios, etc. you'll certainly be able to get that for a long time to come. However, if you have a problem with sequelization, the issue is only going to grow.
Edit: I think the F2P thing is going to fizzle out quickly next generation. Everyone seems to want to jump on it but the truth is that the highest payers in F2P subsidize everyone else. What happens when you overcrowd the F2P market? Well those top people don't have unlimited money to bankroll all the games coming out.
Edit: I think the F2P thing is going to fizzle out quickly next generation. Everyone seems to want to jump on it but the truth is that the highest payers in F2P subsidize everyone else. What happens when you overcrowd the F2P market? Well those top people don't have unlimited money to bankroll all the games coming out.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Both 3DS and Vita lists look about how I'd expect them.
I'm actually surprised there are that many "well" selling 3DS games however; most stores have a marginal 3DS section (handheld section is still almost entirely DS games) and this problem was much worse this time last year.
3DS is still in that "launch" phase where game releases are "linear" aka so infrequent that almost the entire install base has played the same thing. In other words, if you asked a DS or 360 owner to name 10 games they've played, then ask another owner, chances are the lists will vary wildly. Ask two 3DS owners and both lists will probably be almost identical (SM3DL, MK7, OoT, KI:U, etc).
I'm actually surprised there are that many "well" selling 3DS games however; most stores have a marginal 3DS section (handheld section is still almost entirely DS games) and this problem was much worse this time last year.
3DS is still in that "launch" phase where game releases are "linear" aka so infrequent that almost the entire install base has played the same thing. In other words, if you asked a DS or 360 owner to name 10 games they've played, then ask another owner, chances are the lists will vary wildly. Ask two 3DS owners and both lists will probably be almost identical (SM3DL, MK7, OoT, KI:U, etc).
Yeah, but even if there was only ever eight successful f2p titles for the entire generation, they could still eat up a huge amount of time and money that would otherwise go to other games.
metalslimer
Member
Also this isn't meant to knock the DS's library because I think it is fantastic and very varied, but I feel like a lot of revenue coming from it and from the Wii were from parents picking up cheap games to play on the Wii with a lot of shovelwhare getting exposure because of the cheapness. The iOS market in my opinion has destroyed the shovelwhare market. This is why Ubisoft had to quickly change gears with and found a lot of successes elsewhere and why THQ collapsed. Their licensed and shovelwhare emporium fell apart a lot faster than they imagined.
Oh I agree. I just don't think it is the "answer" everyone is looking for.
Oh I agree. I just don't think it is the "answer" everyone is looking for.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
300-400k?! Hey Capcom, how about another 3DS fighter?
metalslimer
Member
While this is probably true, I feel like looking at PW and 3D as a gauge does not show the real picture. PW was released on a basically dead platform where all software performed like shit. 3D on the other hand, was released after the HD collections offering a much better play experience for cheaper and 3D could barely be played without an add on.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Who gets another AAA fighter port first? 3DS or Vita?
metalslimer
Member
Neither? Wouldn't the next Capcom fighter probably end up as a next gen title which probably wouldn't port well to Vita and even worse to 3DS.
HD collection on vita did badly too, which was what I was referring to. Wonder which did better, that or 3D
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Vita's getting SFXT, not that I'd want that.
Something like TatsuCap 3DS could be good though. Or SSF4AE.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I'd prefer a new version, since they could likely improve on the engine (60fps 3D/online, animated bgs, etc).