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NFL 2017 Week 10 |OT| Lets make it to 2 pages
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natjjohn
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You should do it! I had thought that maybe instead of weekly a standard NFL OT to get through the season/postseason similar to the NBA thread
Joei
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The day is finally here. See a lot of potentially lopsided games on the board today.
Can the Browns get a win today? No
Browns D was actually good this year, but the injuries to Ogbah and Collins are going to catch up to them. I think Gordon is going to have a good game getting what he wants on the ground and they're just not going to be able pressure Rivers enough. I'm interested to see not only how Josh Gordon plays, but affects the other receivers. I also hope Kizer continues to play better, and really think he has been over the past few games, but I just don't think they're going to stick with him long-term.
manfestival
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you can see the bucs potential in every play with every possibility which makes me feel like the coaching is straight garbo and cant exploit whats there
Horsemama1956
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Wow think I'd rather see someone's leg snap in 4 than a guy going in head first than unable to move his lower body.
It was bullshit..
No it wasn't.
James crossed the plane. They would have won against any team not called the Patriots.
natjjohn
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I mean I still think that looked like a catch. Looked like his hands were under the ball even though it moved. But I admittedly wasnt watching it with a magnifying glass
lol
DasPenguin
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If he was a running back crossing the plane would be enough. Unfortunately for the Steelers he was a pass catcher who reached for the goal line and lost control. They made the right call and James made a bad play. Its a bad rule, but you still have to enforce it.
maximum360
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Bryant barely attempted to catch that. Massive fail.
entremet
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Curious. Are you a Pats fan?
Wrong. You have to finish any catch, even while crossing the plane. If he had already caught it, this wouldn't have happened.
SwitchedOff
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Why is it a bad rule? You have to complete all catches. He never did.
DasPenguin
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When it's too confusing for most fans to understand, then it's a bad rule. You see people everywhere screaming "he broke the plane!", yet he was not a runner in that situation and it doesn't matter. I just don't like the rule, but it was the right call.
lucius
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Gruden 10 years 100 million rumor contract for Raiders cant be true, only coach worth that is maybe Belichick, I liked him for the Giants but at that price no thanks. NFL coaching matters more than any other sport but come on son, interesting tv personality out of coaching too long imo.
Bolivar687
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I heard he's also getting ownership but the odds of other owners approving it are slim.
The Belichick story is some crazy shit. It really looks like he's raiding the organization before he leaves, sending his backup QBs to mutual friends for next to nothing and this is apparently the first time he's personally grooming his coordinators for HC positions.
It would be unbelievable if he came back to the Giants but they would likely have to trade or get penalized with their second overall pick to do it and I just don't see that happening. I can dream though....
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Phoenix RISING
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Bolivar687
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Yeah any hope of that was definitely born out of psychological trauma from how rough this season has been for NYG.
Any friction they had is likely healed just by making it to the big game.
Any friction they had is likely healed just by making it to the big game.
Can this thread get the title changed too? Preseason is around the corner? As a Pats fan, not gonna lie. I'm not feeling as confident as I used to. Trading the heir apparent at quaterback, and benching a starting corner in the superbowl (and never changing back even when the replacement absolutely sucked), has me worried a collapse is coming soon.
Preseason is here and this thread is dead. I've been so busy at work I haven't been following my saints as much as I did last year.
Saints 2018 Key Subtractions:
Safety Kenny Vacarro - Doubt he will be missed much. He was a strong contributor with high numbers back when our LBers were a weak spot on the defense. He is talented when playing a LB/Safety hybrid close to the box. Bad in space, deep, and as a true safety. Now that we can field 3 competent LB starters and have depth behind them he has lost his roll on this team.
Guard/End Senio Kelemente - In my mind the most hurtful loss. He was a good starter quality guard and passable backup end, as our versatile O-line backup. The thing is, he is good enough to be a starter on almost any o-line and he wanted starter money. Texans are going to love him. Saints offense has always been built on protecting Drew Brees and a versatile (both pound it down their throats and scat back style) running game. They have also always prioritized the line. Starter linemen get injured on the regular, so being able to plug in Kelemente and suffer almost no drop off is going to be missed.
Tight End Coby Fleener - Disappointing 2017 season and mediocre overall Saints numbers, though never truly bad. Given Drew Brees' history with tight ends (Graham and Ben Watson), we feel he should be able to get above average performance out of any tight end. Hasn't happened with Fleener or any of the other tight ends. Saints have not replaced him with anyone that gives much hope.
Slot Receiver Willie Snead - I cannot explain his poor 2017 performance, and this position was always seen as the go to third down option for tough receiving yards. Saints had a terrible year in third down conversions and this is one of the reasons why.
Saints 2018 Key Additions:
Tight End Ben Watson: Had a stellar 2015 season with the Saints and then went and to the Ravens and missed an entire year due to injury. He is 37 years old. No one expects a return to 2015 form and TE in general looks to be a position of ongoing weakness.
Receiver Cameron Meredith: Injury plagued but with great measurables. Saints are betting on potential here hoping to hit a home run on the cheap. If 2017 luck holds, maybe they will.
The Rookies: DE Davison, Receiver Smith, etc. - Saints roster has much more depth and higher quality starters, largely due to the 2016 and 2017 draft classes. 2017 draft class has got to be one of the best draft classes of all time. Other than Davison and maybe Smith, there is not much expectation that the Saints rookies will see the field.
Saints Overall:
There is no reason to believe there is going to be a decline from last year. The turnaround on defense was led by rookies and sophmores, so continued improvement from them should be expected. Brees looked a little weak on the long ball last year but excellent otherwise. The offense hasn't added anyone to it that you would expect to bring it to new heights. We need incremental improvements from the WRs and tight ends I think just to maintain the offense's performance.
What needs to happen for the Saints to get to the superbowl:
Saints 2018 Key Subtractions:
Safety Kenny Vacarro - Doubt he will be missed much. He was a strong contributor with high numbers back when our LBers were a weak spot on the defense. He is talented when playing a LB/Safety hybrid close to the box. Bad in space, deep, and as a true safety. Now that we can field 3 competent LB starters and have depth behind them he has lost his roll on this team.
Guard/End Senio Kelemente - In my mind the most hurtful loss. He was a good starter quality guard and passable backup end, as our versatile O-line backup. The thing is, he is good enough to be a starter on almost any o-line and he wanted starter money. Texans are going to love him. Saints offense has always been built on protecting Drew Brees and a versatile (both pound it down their throats and scat back style) running game. They have also always prioritized the line. Starter linemen get injured on the regular, so being able to plug in Kelemente and suffer almost no drop off is going to be missed.
Tight End Coby Fleener - Disappointing 2017 season and mediocre overall Saints numbers, though never truly bad. Given Drew Brees' history with tight ends (Graham and Ben Watson), we feel he should be able to get above average performance out of any tight end. Hasn't happened with Fleener or any of the other tight ends. Saints have not replaced him with anyone that gives much hope.
Slot Receiver Willie Snead - I cannot explain his poor 2017 performance, and this position was always seen as the go to third down option for tough receiving yards. Saints had a terrible year in third down conversions and this is one of the reasons why.
Saints 2018 Key Additions:
Tight End Ben Watson: Had a stellar 2015 season with the Saints and then went and to the Ravens and missed an entire year due to injury. He is 37 years old. No one expects a return to 2015 form and TE in general looks to be a position of ongoing weakness.
Receiver Cameron Meredith: Injury plagued but with great measurables. Saints are betting on potential here hoping to hit a home run on the cheap. If 2017 luck holds, maybe they will.
The Rookies: DE Davison, Receiver Smith, etc. - Saints roster has much more depth and higher quality starters, largely due to the 2016 and 2017 draft classes. 2017 draft class has got to be one of the best draft classes of all time. Other than Davison and maybe Smith, there is not much expectation that the Saints rookies will see the field.
Saints Overall:
There is no reason to believe there is going to be a decline from last year. The turnaround on defense was led by rookies and sophmores, so continued improvement from them should be expected. Brees looked a little weak on the long ball last year but excellent otherwise. The offense hasn't added anyone to it that you would expect to bring it to new heights. We need incremental improvements from the WRs and tight ends I think just to maintain the offense's performance.
What needs to happen for the Saints to get to the superbowl:
- Key D-line personel like Onyemata and Rankins need to continue to improve, giving Cam Jordan some help in rushing the passer. Okafor needs to return to 2017 form after his injury.
- LB and Secondary look awesome as a unit, but it depends a lot on individual play. Avoid injuries. I am not sure I trust the Saints scheme without pro bowl players in it. Key personnel are S Marcus Williams, LB Alex Anzalone, and C Lattimore. If they stay healthy, we have a good to great defense next year.
- Sean Payton needs to figure out how to get third downs without a dominant TE or a reliable slot receiver. This was a huge weak point for the Saints last year. Yes, the offense still put up big numbers last year but it was bailed out by splash plays from the likes of RB Kamara. So many 3 and outs keeping teams in the game. I fully expect Kamara to have a less productive season as defensive coordinators game plan around containing him.
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SyenceLabb
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Place is dead... So why not post a link to my fantasy football league?
12 team head to head league with 7 slots left.
Plays From Scrimmage
12 team head to head league with 7 slots left.
Plays From Scrimmage
natjjohn
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Fantasy football with randoms and seemingly no money involved. Can’t say that will spark a lot of interest.
Real take:
Tyreek Hill got an insane amount of targets today and even in the past games seems to have a real connection with Mahomes. Chiefs D getting destroyed by the second string of the Bears isn’t a good sign though.
natjjohn
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Washington Franchise!
Agree it is a travesty. Was thinking of starting a regular season thread here soon to try to kick off some more conversation.
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TwiztidElf
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Thinking people can't stay there forever. It's ok.
It's a shame that people will put up with the crap over there in order to keep in touch with the topic communities they like. There'll be a slow drip feed back as people get fed up.
I've always enjoyed the NFL threads over the years (as an Australian NFL fan), so it's tempting to go over there, but nope.
I too will try to contribute more to the NFL community here.
Kacho
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Yeah it’s too consistently weird over there for me to bother. I hope some people slowly make their way back here in time.
Saw that RG3 made the roster in Baltimore. Kinda hoping Joe “Elite” Flacco gets injured so we can see what RG3 has. The Ravens are a better team than the Redskins and Browns so it would be interesting.
TheSadRanger
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I would discuss NFL more but I'm a Cowboys fan and that's been a whole different can of worms the past year or two 
Division rival wins the last Super Bowl when they were supposed to be crippled for years because of Chip Kelly
Romo and Dez are gone
What was used to be the best O-Line in the NFL sucks now
Jerry makes it awkward to root for the team because of the whole kneeling thing
Division rival wins the last Super Bowl when they were supposed to be crippled for years because of Chip Kelly
Romo and Dez are gone
What was used to be the best O-Line in the NFL sucks now
Jerry makes it awkward to root for the team because of the whole kneeling thing
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