Justin Bailey
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Ok we get the point, you can stop now.Mrbob said:
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New EGM Scores (Halo 2 = GTA:SA > MGS3 > MP 2)
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BigGreenMat
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Dude EGM totally just hates Nintendo for not giving them enough exclusives and moneyhats!! It is official Nintendoomed!
Outrun 2 6, 6.5, 8
Haha,comedy gold.
Theres no point in bickering over a Metroid score either. Laugh and move on,its just some yahoo's opinion. At the end of the day the game is more than likely going to take you by the balls and kick your ass,enjoy it. Let the scoring be what it is,a score. These guys are simply selling the public subscriptions to their opinions. Doesn't mean all that much in the long run.
Haha,comedy gold.
Theres no point in bickering over a Metroid score either. Laugh and move on,its just some yahoo's opinion. At the end of the day the game is more than likely going to take you by the balls and kick your ass,enjoy it. Let the scoring be what it is,a score. These guys are simply selling the public subscriptions to their opinions. Doesn't mean all that much in the long run.
Youre refering to Outrun2,right? Yes I own it,very fun game with some good legs on it. And Btw-Yahoo referrs to a joker. Everyone is one of those is one way or another. Its not like I'm calling him an idiot. I sisagree with the scores,but its not going to influence me to hate on someone.
Justin Bailey said:They gave it a low score and when the fanboys had a backlash one of the reviewers went on the GI boards and bascially said that they did it because they thought the "gaming public" wouldn't like it. You can read all about it in the thread here on GAF:
http://ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=18453
^ That post was later erased from the GI forums. They tried to sweep it under the rug
Ah yes, silly that.
Driv3rgate was also pretty interesting.
Justin Bailey said:They gave it a low score and when the fanboys had a backlash one of the reviewers went on the GI boards and bascially said that they did it because they thought the "gaming public" wouldn't like it. You can read all about it in the thread here on GAF:
http://ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=18453
^ That post was later erased from the GI forums. They tried to sweep it under the rug
Rather than sweeping it under the rug because some of you bozos pitched a fit, they should be proud of it, and to hell with what the complainers think. I'd much rather read reviews that try to take their readers' tastes into account than ones that descend into idiosyncratic weirdness (like David 'Foot Fetish' Smith complaining about the 'inappropriate footwear' of the girls in his DoA: Ultimate review for 1up.com--yes, WarPig, I'm looking at you!
) just to share the reviewer's oddball preferences with us. I also think that if GI had run a glowing review of Paper Mario 2, then privately commented that they thought it was childish and didn't enjoy it much, but felt that the majority of the readers would and had scored it accordingly, 99% of you wouldn't've said a word, but that's another story.Razoric- ok Meroid Prime Echoes.
Don't put me in the same boat as some of these crazies who are bitching about the review. Because I call the 3 reviewers a yahoo,thats my general feel for all the gaming media. Their inconsistency always shows up in one way or another. Yahoos are not to be taken seriously.
Its not some agenda because they scored Metroid high or low,its that over the years I've learned to not trust media reviews. Their scoring is sometimes right on,other times its way off.
Don't put me in the same boat as some of these crazies who are bitching about the review. Because I call the 3 reviewers a yahoo,thats my general feel for all the gaming media. Their inconsistency always shows up in one way or another. Yahoos are not to be taken seriously.
Its not some agenda because they scored Metroid high or low,its that over the years I've learned to not trust media reviews. Their scoring is sometimes right on,other times its way off.
Justin Bailey
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Well I couldn't disagree with you more. A review should be one person's opinion on a game/movie/book/whatever, not what they "think" other people's opinions would be. Seriously, how the hell does that work? You'd have to be a pretty arrogant bastard to sit there and say that you know for a fact what other people are going to think of something.Tellaerin said:Rather than sweeping it under the rug because some of you bozos pitched a fit, they should be proud of it, and to hell with what the complainers think. I'd much rather read reviews that try to take their readers' tastes into account than ones that descend into idiosyncratic weirdness (like David 'Foot Fetish' Smith complaining about the 'inappropriate footwear' of the girls in his DoA: Ultimate review for 1up.com--yes, WarPig, I'm looking at you!
Angelus said:
heh yeah I only look to reviews as a usual guide... for example I know I'm getting Halo 2, MGS3, etc... I don't need a magazine review to tell me different. But for a game like, say, Fight Club, I liked the movie so I'm a little interested in the game but after seeing the EGM reviews I probably wont bother looking into it anymore.
OG_Original Gamer
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Each gamer is different in how they respond to controls, some accept the controls because of the overall package. Some get their opinions based on the content, and see the controls as a extention. Then there are the gamers that get used to a certain type controls, and view them as what should be the norm.
To say the controls are asstastic is a little harsh, MP2 strays far from your normal FPS. Its a title based on a exsisting franchise. So question becomes, should Retro have made the gameplay more akin to the style of most FP Shooters or stay true to the franchise?
Now Bish, comment about the controller may have some truth, mainly a lack of buttons. Would a extra button have changed things, there really isn't a way of knowing.
To say the controls are asstastic is a little harsh, MP2 strays far from your normal FPS. Its a title based on a exsisting franchise. So question becomes, should Retro have made the gameplay more akin to the style of most FP Shooters or stay true to the franchise?
Now Bish, comment about the controller may have some truth, mainly a lack of buttons. Would a extra button have changed things, there really isn't a way of knowing.
Razoric said:
Agreed. If its a franchise I like,thats say tv or movie related,as in hot license,then I'll give it a read. In hopes that it turned out decently. It'd probably influence me all the more to pick the game once it falls to that magical price point. Or I'll just run out and rent the game as soon as possible.
My point is, if you're going to bring Metroid into an already established genre, don't reinvent the wheel unless you're making it easier for players to access your game. MP came into the FPS genre - and believe me, if it's first person and there's shooting involved, you've got an FPS - and didn't bother to follow established protocols with the control scheme. Now I'm all for innovation and refinement, nobody's saying that you can't break new ground with a new game in a familiar genre...but making it MORE difficult to control than other titles in the same genre was not a smart move.
bishoptl said:
It isn't difficult to control, though....
It just doesn't allow you to some of the things you are used to. I can fully understand why THAT might be disappointing, but I still don't see why that prevents you from playing the game well. It just isn't difficult...
What features DO you miss, though?
Rocket Punch
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bishoptl said:
This is the flaw in your argument. It's not MORE difficult. It is DIFFERENT. What makes it more difficult is people's innability/unwillingness to adapt which personally, I find perplexing.
Mike Works
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BUT THAT'S WHAT METAL GEAR SOLID DID SIRbishoptl said:
There wasn't even a first person view in MGS!
You can't even move while aiming in MGS2!
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He misses the codec conversations.dark10x said:
And really, don't we all?
Oh, and the Metroid card games.
huzkee said:
Yes, that is right. It isn't more difficult to do anything. The game is not hard at all...
You loved GTA3 and Vice City. I was used to other 3rd person action games that allowed for free aim, strafing, and other standard features. I still managed to enjoy the games and I KNOW Bish loved them both. Yet, their control schemes were considerably worse than what you find in Prime. Very VERY sloppy mechanics and tons of other issues.
It seems to me that some poeple simply didn't find the content in Prime interesting enough to deal with the controls. That's kinda how I was with Resident Evil at one time, so I can understand it from that end...
Go back and read it again, while taking a timeout to hit dictionary.com for the correct definition of unwillingness.huzkee said:
The fact that MP's controls are radically different from different from other entries in the FPS genre, not to mention unintuitive, makes it more difficult to play. By attempting to persevere and learn the new control scheme (I'm not sure how far the xray visor is in regards to percentage completion, but I was playing for some time), I demonstrated an extreme willingness to give it a shot. Eventually one tires of ramming one's head against the wall, and frankly the rest of the game wasn't compelling enough to convince me to finish it. So it got the Halo treatment and was traded in. As MP isn't offered on any other platform (with a decent control scheme) besides Gamecube, I guess I won't be finishing it. Small loss.
As Freeform's post stated, if they haven't fixed the controls in MP2, why would I bother, assuming that I still had my GC? Wonky as San Andreas' controls can be, the storyline and content are compelling enough that I can push myself to obtain the rewards. I can look to earlier titles in the series and see how the controls have been refined and changed for the better. Halo 2, I'm not so sure about - but what I've heard is promising, and anyways that's what rentals are for.
Here's a little tip: making something different without offering any actual improvement is not progress. It may be innovative, but that doesn't make it intuitive.
Mike Works
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bishoptl said:
The default control scheme which many MANY people used with Goldeneye was very similar to what you see in Prime (though certainly less intuitive).
The dual analog control setup has only become a recent standard.
I see that I was correct regarding the appeal of the content not being worth the extra effort required to learn the controls...however, I still don't understand just what the problem with them is. They are different, but they are NOT difficult to use and the game is anything but challenging. Resident Evil controlled terribly, but the games WERE somewhat difficult...which is why I did not want to put up with them. Prime isn't a tough game, however...
The dual analog control setup has only become a recent standard.
I see that I was correct regarding the appeal of the content not being worth the extra effort required to learn the controls...however, I still don't understand just what the problem with them is. They are different, but they are NOT difficult to use and the game is anything but challenging. Resident Evil controlled terribly, but the games WERE somewhat difficult...which is why I did not want to put up with them. Prime isn't a tough game, however...
Mike Works
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EGM's big three?bishoptl said:
You mean Halo 2, GTA:SA, and METAL GEAR SOLID 3?
SantaC
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dark10x said:
yeah I didn't think Metroid Prime was hard. The only time I struggled was with the bosses, and that's normal. The controls didn't affect anything for me.
If MP2 is a tougher game I will be happy. Very happy. I enjoy tough games, and I have beaten Viewtiful Joe on adult.
Mike Works
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I'm surprised you were even able to see the review, considering how counter-intuitive it must've been to flip all of those pages independentlybishoptl said:
Dual analogue result in no lock-on. No lock-on result in no dash jump, no dash jump results in no sequence breaking, no sequence breaking means it is not a metroid game.
There are elements in all of the metroid games (except fusion) that most players will never experience. These element are there for the hardcore Metroid fans. I would rather the game feel like a Metroid than feel like a FPS.
There are elements in all of the metroid games (except fusion) that most players will never experience. These element are there for the hardcore Metroid fans. I would rather the game feel like a Metroid than feel like a FPS.
Duck of Death
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Is it possible for ANY thread to go without a debate over Metroid Prime's controls? I was half-expecting one to occur in the presidential election threads. . .
Goon A: ""Aww man, Bush is getting served in this debate.""
Goon B: ""No way, he is destroying Kerry.""
Goon A: ""WTF!? You suck! How can you believe that?""
Goon B: ""Eat shit! You don't have morals.""
Goon A: ""Yeah, well at least Kerry doesn't have to stop moving to be able to freelook.""
Goon B: ""He just isn't doing it right! It's all about atmosphere! AND MORALS!!""
Goon A: ""Halo > MP 2""
Goon B: ""FOUR MORE YEARS.""
Goon A: ""Aww man, Bush is getting served in this debate.""
Goon B: ""No way, he is destroying Kerry.""
Goon A: ""WTF!? You suck! How can you believe that?""
Goon B: ""Eat shit! You don't have morals.""
Goon A: ""Yeah, well at least Kerry doesn't have to stop moving to be able to freelook.""
Goon B: ""He just isn't doing it right! It's all about atmosphere! AND MORALS!!""
Goon A: ""Halo > MP 2""
Goon B: ""FOUR MORE YEARS.""