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Media Create Sales: Week 52, 2014 (Dec 22 - Dec 28)
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Principate
Saint Titanfall
Software sales were never the issue of a NintendOS concept it's pretty much a given that those would increase. Hardware is another question entirely and is the biggest and most deadly issue to the concept, since it essentially encourages you to buy only one platform and neither platform has any real system sellers, should it's sales wane or are not good in the first place.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
The WiiU will beg to differ.
The WiiU had a decent xmas last year then it dropped in second week like a rock.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=747806
No
Yeah, ok. Year to year comparison don´t matter anymore.
Magicpaint
Member
I don't think it was supposed to die in 2014 though. It got into 2014 with a lot of (relative) momentum and you can't be reading into 2011/2 forecasts anymore. There was a time when 3DS was apparently doomed too
I'd agree with you that 2014 was "strong" if it didn't completely lose steam in the fourth quarter. 2015 needs new trump cards to stop the rot but I figure Sony has probably moved to the PS4.
Which is why I said 'usually'. Everyone predicted that post-holiday slump since it was an isolated case with the holiday positioned family bundles. Its sales during the weeks preceding (and succeeding) that period are a testament to a case of isolation. Q4 is more than just the last couple of weeks afterall.
NintendOS needs to happen. Don't disappoint me, NCL!
Even slimmer, better battery, R2/L2?
Moor-Angol
Banned
please stop call me "some people" or "people"....
and pardon me, but seems like you have not good memory
my VS. charts include :
GC vs. Wii U
PS3 vs. PS4
Wii U vs. PS4
3DS 2013 LTD vs. 2014 LTD
bonus : XB1 vs. Pippin
i never made YoY Vita cause it was the only system with positive numbers
it was, past
hope you are happy now that everyone is negative
And add non proprietary memory card compatibility.
What if Nintendo launches 4DS next year, I totally can see Vita outselling 3DS then.
Nintendojitsu
Banned
Vita? I hardly know her.
Hellraider
Member
Still not happening. Unless it launches in February or something.
Everything points to a horrible 2015 for Vita. Would love to proved be wrong.
Magicpaint
Member
please stop call me "some people" or "people"....
and pardon me, but seems like you have not good memory
my VS. charts include :
GC vs. Wii U
PS3 vs. PS4
Wii U vs. PS4
3DS 2013 LTD vs. 2014 LTD
bonus : XB1 vs. Pippin
i never made YoY Vita cause it was the only system with positive numbers
it was, past
hope you are happy now that everyone is negative
Well you're making the mistake of assuming that I am specifically referring to just you. If that were the case I'd have no problem quoting you.
The Wii U is dead and the market depends on an even deader console, huh?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
PS4 will outsell the WiiU don't worry.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Well you're making the mistake of assuming that I am specifically referring to just you. If that were the case I'd have no problem quoting you.
I don't remember anyone making Vita YoY comparisons, considering you can just check the OP by yourself to see the difference, so I tought you were talking about my Vs. charts
sorry for misunderstanding you
Canis lupus
Member
The PS4 will sell more than the WIi U there eventually, the market awaits its big games there. Wii U will have trouble reaching 3M.
Awesome, thanks. So Pokemon still holds the record with 2010 heh. Not too shabby for only 4 Yokai Watch games though!
YW sold 6.051.851 last year according to Famitsu. Maybe with online sales it has beaten Pokemon.
It's pretty amazing to see how YW got so huge. It's a shame there aren't a lot of JP developers like them on the business side of things. They made so many successful games and don't manually put themselves into the niche department.
I'm curious to see how this supposedly big PS4 game came together and what it's trying to appeal to since it's being revealed at E3. It most likely has been in development before YW's success, so is this something that they invested in themselves? Or is this another collaboration with Sony?
I also wonder if that's the game they were talking about wanting to be bigger than YW? If they're trying to appeal to the western market, I hope it does it the same way certain anime appeals to the west. No full blown western inspired RPG (assuming it is one) please. There's already a lot of them.
I'm sure the Wii U has been out for 2 years, it had 2 holiday seasons, and all of it's biggest hits are out except Mario Party. I think there's a big difference between them.
I'm curious to see how this supposedly big PS4 game came together and what it's trying to appeal to since it's being revealed at E3. It most likely has been in development before YW's success, so is this something that they invested in themselves? Or is this another collaboration with Sony?
I also wonder if that's the game they were talking about wanting to be bigger than YW? If they're trying to appeal to the western market, I hope it does it the same way certain anime appeals to the west. No full blown western inspired RPG (assuming it is one) please. There's already a lot of them.
I'm sure the Wii U has been out for 2 years, it had 2 holiday seasons, and all of it's biggest hits are out except Mario Party. I think there's a big difference between them.
Very good point! Totally forgot about digital.
dragonfart28
Banned
Hopefully PS4 numbers look better next Christmas.
FreedomFighter
Member
theprodigy
Member
I thought it included Vita vs Wii Uplease stop call me "some people" or "people"....
and pardon me, but seems like you have not good memory
my VS. charts include :
GC vs. Wii U
PS3 vs. PS4
Wii U vs. PS4
3DS 2013 LTD vs. 2014 LTD
bonus : XB1 vs. Pippin
i never made YoY Vita cause it was the only system with positive numbers
it was, past
hope you are happy now that everyone is negative
This was posted a lot early last year too...
3m isn't going to be easy for PS4 either. It's not even at 1m yet.
Graphics Horse
Member
I'll assume you mean a percentage drop, I don't think it could lose another 1,800k in a year even if it suddenly dropped dead before Christmas.* Vita would need a huge surge in popularity, which would need new big games and not just hardware.
*On second thoughts, replace 'even if' with 'unless'. Point is it would only have to shuffle along at 20k per week most weeks to not drop as much as it did.
theprodigy
Member
nah, Vita can totally beat the 3DS in 2015*
*if all 3DS supply is destroyed overnight and production factories are permanently shut down
prag16
Banned
Probably, eventually. But it may take quite some time for the streams to cross LTD. Hell, it's still significantly behind launch aligned, isn't it?
Calling one "totally dead" while looking to the other as some kind of savior is sorta weird.
vicissitudes
Banned
Looks like the Xbox is starting to come back down to earth (sub 4-digits) after the holiday boost.
Nice hold for Smash for Wii U as well, first week was a bit worrying.
Nice hold for Smash for Wii U as well, first week was a bit worrying.
Moor-Angol
Banned
I thought it included Vita vs Wii U
can do that, but hey, too much Wii U comparison at that point !
I think the most interestings for 2015 are Wii U vs. GC and PS3 vs. PS4
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
KillerMan91
Member
sörine;146193509 said:
While PS4 will not reach PS3 numbers it will probably have same kind of life. Never really selling that much but crawling its way across the years. PS3 was tracking behind Gamecube for years but in the end more than doubled Gamecube numbers.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That's in large part due to it's lifetime. No successor hardware to eat up it's sales. (Though that doesn't mean the Gamecube itself would have done much better than it did with an extended lifespan.).
Pennywise83
Banned
Nice numbers overall. Nintendo did really good software-wise; 3DS did ok-ish and eventually had a 3m YTD (quite unexpected until a few months ago). 19 out of 30 titles are on 3DS, which shows the strength of this platform and how third parties are doing really well on it.
I still find a bit naif all this discussion about how 3DS is declining; about how 2015 will see a rise of PSV over 3DS; and so on. It is naif because on one hand there is a system with 18m units in the market, 16-17 million sellers, 64 200k+ games, a hundred 100k+ games, new IPs selling millions of units, an average of 13 titles in the weekly Top 30 (with 19-20 titles during holidays), evergreen games that keep selling for years, a good 2015 line-up with new IPs and old safe IPs, and some market overseas... And on the other hand there is a system that struggled to reach 3m units, its best-selling game sold 400k units, only 25 games sold 100k+, it never had a relevant third parties support, and is dead abroad. There is no competition at all.
The fact that the 3DS declined doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things; the system reached the saturation point by selling more than Wii, GBA, PS1 and PS2 (it's only behind the DS right now) but still dominates the market to a great extent (not like, for example, PSP when was leading the charts). It has basically all the million seller IPs and many of those which sell 300k+, 400k+ and 500k+. Trying to downplay these facts is just naif.
I still find a bit naif all this discussion about how 3DS is declining; about how 2015 will see a rise of PSV over 3DS; and so on. It is naif because on one hand there is a system with 18m units in the market, 16-17 million sellers, 64 200k+ games, a hundred 100k+ games, new IPs selling millions of units, an average of 13 titles in the weekly Top 30 (with 19-20 titles during holidays), evergreen games that keep selling for years, a good 2015 line-up with new IPs and old safe IPs, and some market overseas... And on the other hand there is a system that struggled to reach 3m units, its best-selling game sold 400k units, only 25 games sold 100k+, it never had a relevant third parties support, and is dead abroad. There is no competition at all.
The fact that the 3DS declined doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things; the system reached the saturation point by selling more than Wii, GBA, PS1 and PS2 (it's only behind the DS right now) but still dominates the market to a great extent (not like, for example, PSP when was leading the charts). It has basically all the million seller IPs and many of those which sell 300k+, 400k+ and 500k+. Trying to downplay these facts is just naif.
Smash and MK8 will sell consoles for a long time to come. Less than I expected though, Wii U needs its trinity, a third system seller.
PS4 won't go 7+ years without a successor. And forget Gamecube, PS4 is behind Dreamcast still.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Yeah I've been saying 2015 will tell the true tale. Much more software hitting then 2014.
Bladestorm, Bloodborne, Disgaea, Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy Type 0, Maybe FFXV in Japan, Hot Shots golf, Street Fighter, Ys, etc etc. Compare any of that to last year amongst the releases on the PS4. Huge difference.
I think the momentum will pick up for the PS4 in 2015 and gain momentum leading up to the FFXV release which will be pretty huge. Sony just has to keep the software coming and keep hype alive.
KillerMan91
Member
sörine;146198621 said:
Oh sure. It also depends on when Sony will release PS5. Still even if you take those extra couple of years off from last gen PS3 reached something like 7.5 million back in late 2011 so I don't still see why PS4 couldn't do at least 5 million with normal life span. It's not that much off from PS3s pace and it will get pretty much all the same software as PS3 did. I guess this year shows where it's heading as it starts to get some big hitters.
leatherhat
Member
One has software coming, the other doesn't. That's all there is to it.
Magicpaint
Member
While I'm not too optimistic I do hope the PS4 does at least decently in 2015, otherwise we're probably headed towards another decline for the dedicated market (I suppose it is inevitable? :/). Curious to see how well DQ Heroes does.
prag16
Banned
Sure, if it passes Wii U LTD some time in 2016 or 2017 and limps to maybe 4 million being kind of optimistic.... yay?
What?
PS3 was at 7.5m at the end of 2011, basically a 5 year lifespan at that point. Gamecube ended up with barely over 4m with a 5 year lifespan.
So no PS3 passing Gamecube had nothing to do with an extended lifespan. The sales gap between them wasn't even close.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yes that's why I said the doubling was in large part due to it's extended lifespan. I never implied anything else.
Pennywise83
Banned
13./18. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (¥4.800) - 19.381 / 4.249.432 <80-100%> (+31%)
This game is crazy. It got huge legs over the years, and including digital sales (500k?) it might eventually reach the 5m mark, close to Wild World on DS (5.2m).
This game is crazy. It got huge legs over the years, and including digital sales (500k?) it might eventually reach the 5m mark, close to Wild World on DS (5.2m).
I feel 3DS decline is important for the very reason you listed. The 3DS *is* the market.
Like, there are other sales happening, but the 3DS so overwhelmingly dominates what's left of the industry that the ups and downs of the system are effectively the ups and downs of the dedicated industry itself.
Road just put up this completely dire chart that depicts how the industry is at its worst point in 24 years now: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=965933
Doubling GCN would be at 8m. PS4 was at 7.5m after 5 years. Very very close. In fact they hit 8m only 4 months into 2012.