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Media Create Sales: Week 27, 2015 (Jun 29 - Jul 05)
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Depends on when YW3 hits, and when the NX launches.
Pennywise83
Banned
And, perhaps, what NX is 
Yes. It makes more sense than doing an NX exclusive title or having no YW at all. Layton 5 probably should've been crossgen in retrospect.
ohyouagain
Member
Thank you Nirolak, that's a great post.
I am really happy with how the latest releases have sold this Summer so far.
I hope this momentum will extend to the release of Super Mario Maker, which I hope will clear the million mark this year. Now, that would be fantastic.
I am really happy with how the latest releases have sold this Summer so far.
I hope this momentum will extend to the release of Super Mario Maker, which I hope will clear the million mark this year. Now, that would be fantastic.
How so?
And who compared it to Pokemon lol?
MK, NSBM, SM3DL, Smash, LM2 (if that counts), have all done well enough
I did, but I was speaking of the overall brand.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I feel it's kinda crazy to release so many high profile 3DS games in 2016.
They should at least make Monster Hunter X, Stories, Yo-kai Watch 3 and Snack World multiplatform with 4DS (NX).
They should at least make Monster Hunter X, Stories, Yo-kai Watch 3 and Snack World multiplatform with 4DS (NX).
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Monster Hunter XG for NX, clearly.
Sammy Samusu
Member
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Pokémon the Movie: Hoopa and the Clash of Ages is also coming out July 18th.
The last film (Pokémon the Movie: Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction) was the second lowest grossing Pokemon movie at ¥2.9 Billion with the first being Pokémon 4Ever (sorry Joe, you flopped - Celebi is trash, it's nothing but a mistake).
I am extremely interested to see how it performs because many seem to believe that Youkai Watch has not affected Pokemon, but in reality it has, as seen with last year's film results.
I am hoping for a greater show-up with this film; the pre-purchase incentives have been robust and it seems the Pokemon Company are doing everything in their power to make this film a hit with the rollout of Pokken on July 16th, Pikachu Visa Credit Cards initiative, mobile app collaboration with Yahoo!, Pikachu Festival, and Dance? Pokémon Band!
Everything is set in motion so that film and Pokemon brand in general may gain back some lost marketshare - let's see how well it does.
The last film (Pokémon the Movie: Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction) was the second lowest grossing Pokemon movie at ¥2.9 Billion with the first being Pokémon 4Ever (sorry Joe, you flopped - Celebi is trash, it's nothing but a mistake).
I am extremely interested to see how it performs because many seem to believe that Youkai Watch has not affected Pokemon, but in reality it has, as seen with last year's film results.
I am hoping for a greater show-up with this film; the pre-purchase incentives have been robust and it seems the Pokemon Company are doing everything in their power to make this film a hit with the rollout of Pokken on July 16th, Pikachu Visa Credit Cards initiative, mobile app collaboration with Yahoo!, Pikachu Festival, and Dance? Pokémon Band!
Everything is set in motion so that film and Pokemon brand in general may gain back some lost marketshare - let's see how well it does.
I'm 100% positive S-E will go full PC during this generation, their Western projects are already there, they will move their Japanese AAA too with later ports (Final Fantasy, KH and possibly Dragon Quest).
The interesting thing to note here is that "First on Playstation" is never clarified on from SE as to where "next on" is going to end up. If it were clear cut, predetermined platforms, they'd have likely made it clear as is general with any timed-exclusive.
What we may be seeing is the limits on how far Sony could grease the wheels with taking SE off the deep-end in Japan with Japan-centric games and western promises. They get the games but the stipulation is largely timed. Would be interesting if we saw Builders on launch with NX.
theprodigy
Member
this is backwards dude
.....
edit: also is there a list of how much each Pokemon movie has made?
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I can't even do jokes correctly.
I am beyond saving. I have dishonored my people.
Prodigy-senpai:
LMAO I even made another mistake in my joke - it's Latios & Latias that performed unfavorably
Shameful
I am beyond saving. I have dishonored my people.
Prodigy-senpai:
LMAO I even made another mistake in my joke - it's Latios & Latias that performed unfavorably
Shameful
How many pokefilms have there been now? Do they all make it to cinema in Japan or do some go straight to home video?
edit: Oh I see your other comment with the list now, thats all of them I assume.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I would time it to starting around the time Inafune left, not just because he left, but because of the domino effect it caused in tandem with some major changes in the video game market.
When Inafune was running Capcom's development arm, he was the singular head of decision making, and was pushing for things like heavy Western expansion, trying to make Monster Hunter bigger than Dragon Quest, and using outside resources both within and outside of Japan to keep their output up among growing development requirements. His ideas certainly didn't always work out, but they did have a pretty good success rate and helped keep them relevant in the market.
However, by Fall 2009, both Modern Warfare 2 and Assassin's Creed 2 came out and showed publishers that GTA like sales weren't just some Titanic-esque cultural phenomenon, but rather something they could all aspire to. Western publishers started refocusing in droves with the goal of no longer making 1-3 million selling titles and instead aiming overwhelmingly for 5-10+ million selling titles, pouring in huge amounts of resources into their games.
Capcom meanwhile was signing up increasingly questionable development partners and, especially with Inafune's departure, started promoting a bunch of their game producers and directors into management positions they were not qualified for nor likely even wanted judging by statements from Mikami (about the Capcom of yore) and Ono about the management situation. Given the exploding costs of their games, they also tried to cut even more costs wherever they could with things like development timelines and going back to their old strategy of re-releasing the same game with upgrades and charging a whole bunch of money for it. Both their internally and externally made games suffered significantly. Given that their competitors were offering the moon, this made Capcom's products look horrible in comparison, and their sales followed.
After this, realizing they couldn't really compete anymore, they first tried shifting to 3DS as their primary platform going forward. However, it became apparent pretty quickly that while some of their games worked really well on the platform, others didn't, and they abandoned this strategy. Then they went to flooding the mobile and browser market with outsourced games, and since they were all awful, they tanked and got shut down shortly after. Finally, they ended up where they are today, at which point they've shut off nearly all external development (because they found it too expensive), set on a path to hire 1000 college graduates (to staff up cheaply), and are focusing on internally made mobile and service titles where the cost of development and expectations are notably lower, while still making a few traditional dedicated device titles in the few brands that are still viable relative to their skill set and capabilities. However, almost no one at Capcom actually knows how to make these types of games, and they're overwhelmingly hiring college graduates who would have no experience doing this either, so it's hard for them to hone in on exactly what they should be doing.
The wombo combo of Dragon's Dogma bombing (their big push at the time was "internally developed new IP, externally developed existing IP" since Dead Rising 2 was successful while their new Western IPs were not, yet here their shining hope just failed) and Resident Evil 6 getting eviscerated in reviews (and selling a bit less than they were hoping) was certainly a big part of cementing their decision to no longer be a major AAA publisher. I do think it also signaled pretty clearly to everyone outside the company that they weren't going to be able to keep up with the AAA standards of the West.
Right, like many things, Capcom was notably impacted by an inability to adapt to the changing market. That said, at least Monster Hunter still sells quite well overall, and doesn't cost an absolute fortune to make.
If you want a licensed engine on 3DS you're pretty much SOL. The thing that helps mitigate the problems related to this is that games are pretty low end on the system development resources wise, so the idea of building one, even if it's harder to do things, is a lot easier to swallow.
However, once you get attached to your really nice toolchain using Unity or Unreal, it can be hard to go back. You also don't get the benefit of your game being pretty easy to port around to fit different markets/demographics because the engine provider has done most of the work for you.
So I'll address this in both the specific and the general.
For Yokai Watch 3 in particular, I could see the expanded edition releasing on NX since it makes sense for any older fans of the series and for a potential Western release where the 3DS is fading pretty fast.
However, it is important to keep in mind that this is primarily a children's series, and most children don't get the newest system the month it comes out. As such, they will likely be cross-gen on the 3DS for a while. If the game is not going to be cross-gen, then it will almost certainly be only on 3DS as well.
To answer more generally, I don't expect many NX exclusives at launch, but I do think there will be quite a variety of ports/remasters available. Now, I'm hesitant to go too far on this because we don't know what the system actually is, as Pennywise correctly points out. If it's just a home console, then support might be dire. If it's the next handheld (or both), then I would expect developers to more readily show up, especially if it has enough power and a broad enough featureset to accept popular engines and Nintendo has worked with the engine providers to ensure they're actually there. In the same way many publishers are choosing to port their Japanese PlayStation only line-up to PC and/or Xbox One for the Western release, it's not hard for me to imagine them looking at the same games and shoving to on the NX to boot. I feel the biggest blockade to doing that currently is that the 3DS is just such a tremendous technological odd-duck that it's not nearly as appealing of an option if you're not just making a game for it exclusively, whereas it's much smoother to port between all the other platforms.
It's possible that demographics are seen as the #1 reason to not do this, and it's such a strong and overpowering reason that we would still see a strong split between Japanese games on Sony platforms and Nintendo platforms, but given how pliable Japanese developers have been on platform choice recently, this doesn't strike me as the most probable situation.
To cover late gen 3DS games some more in particular, I think pretty much every Japanese developer saw how the cross-gen launch of the PS4/XB1 went over in the West (exceedingly well, both hardware and software wise), and is likely to jump on with anything they want to sell abroad. I'm noticing that a lot of companies seem to be porting what would historically be PS3 and/or Vita only games to the PS4 with a Western release in mind, sometimes going so far as to release the game only on PS3/Vita locally first, and then getting the PS4 port done in time for the Western release. Tales and Digimon are two good examples of this, and given that Star Ocean 5 is leading on PS3, I don't think that PS4 version was originally envisioned for the domestic release. This is before we even get to PC ports where it really obviously has nothing to do with the domestic audience. This is, of course, all stipulated on them having some level of faith that the NX will do well abroad. It's also possible these things don't only ship on 3DS/NX toward that end, but for the domestic market, I feel what matters most is that they're present, not that they're exclusive. Nintendo can certainly bring the first party line-up themselves.
This statement rings very true.
It is a good strategy that Japanese publishers have come up with recently and is working very well. I can certainly see it being replicated with 3DS/Wii U and NX should the NX become successful early on in International markets.
I think this one we can check off as assured, Nintendo has already gotten Unity to the N3DS of all things (which as a singular action seems entirely pointless, but in a long term play for support makes perfect sense). It would seem that they are quite aware of the pipelines that developers would like to have available to them, and are securing said support moving forward.
pffft, tell me when they get phyre engine on 3DS. That's when I'll be impressed!
I said engine pipelines that developers like to use!
Touche!
Since we talk a lot about the kind of impact an anime can have on games, I thought I'd go pull the chart for how Namco's new Dragon Ball mobile game is doing:
It's doing pretty well actually, especially since on mobile Namco usually makes their money the same way they do on dedicated devices (a whole bunch of titles that aren't exactly top 10 performers, but add up to a lot money).
On a similar note, here's One Piece:
And JoJo's Bizarre Adventure:
It's doing pretty well actually, especially since on mobile Namco usually makes their money the same way they do on dedicated devices (a whole bunch of titles that aren't exactly top 10 performers, but add up to a lot money).
On a similar note, here's One Piece:
And JoJo's Bizarre Adventure:
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I wanted to make a post like this too before, but forgot until you brought it up:
Anime started airing April 5th.
Diancie and the Cocoon of Destruction was a really weak entry.
In addition, the last season of Black/White was horrid and earlier X/Y episodes were weak as well.
Episodes nowadays are stronger and the ratings have generally gone up as a result, and we can see the effect with stronger legs on Alpha Sapphire.
In addition, the last season of Black/White was horrid and earlier X/Y episodes were weak as well.
Episodes nowadays are stronger and the ratings have generally gone up as a result, and we can see the effect with stronger legs on Alpha Sapphire.
On this topic. I asked what the opinion of it was, and the response was that the current event is pretty good and gotten her to play again. That being said, after the sheen wears off she's probably going to stop playing again and, probably, won't come back unless the next thing is considerably more meaty.
I guess the game still lacks long-term hooks?
manipulate
Member
Later pages of Media Create threads always bring the considered and insightful discussion
It's usually everything beyond page 5.
theprodigy
Member
Of course, it's only after the initial circlejerk wears off that discussion actually takes place in sales threads, NPD is the most extreme example of this.
Oy you looking at my bird!?
Err... what I mean is, we are a civilized folk.
Problem with the NPD thread is that the circlejerk lasts for like 30 pages.
Square2015
Member
I used to be quite active on the m-c threads back in 06, 07, 08, 09 as the DS was exploding in popularity. Us old sales-agers who had been tracking Japanese sales since the 90s had never seen the likes of numbers so high as the DS and all its "non-games" which were absolutely tearing up the charts! OMG
I look at the market now and I must say its has died down to levels I've never seen. Japan has had a lot to deal with these last few years (Tsunamis, Fukashima, another recession) plus just burnout of gaming that kinda peaked over there in the '80 and '90s (while still niche in the West and tiny in PAL territories until well Call of Duty and GTA).
The market over there has moved toward handhelds as consoles don't really offer anything new (to them) anymore and with space limited in Japan, just in general, I think they finally ran out of space for new consoles HH are more convenient.
Anyways, is there still hype for the Sunday night release of COMGNET numbers in these threads? That used to be a big deal here.
I tracked COMGNET every week back to 04 including reservations, and still got that data in excel
and NEW SMB !!!
I look at the market now and I must say its has died down to levels I've never seen. Japan has had a lot to deal with these last few years (Tsunamis, Fukashima, another recession) plus just burnout of gaming that kinda peaked over there in the '80 and '90s (while still niche in the West and tiny in PAL territories until well Call of Duty and GTA).
The market over there has moved toward handhelds as consoles don't really offer anything new (to them) anymore and with space limited in Japan, just in general, I think they finally ran out of space for new consoles
HH are more convenient.Anyways, is there still hype for the Sunday night release of COMGNET numbers in these threads? That used to be a big deal here.
I tracked COMGNET every week back to 04 including reservations, and still got that data in excel
Anyways, is there still hype for the Sunday night release of COMGNET numbers in these threads? That used to be a big deal here.
I tracked COMGNET every week back to 04 including reservations, and still got that data in excel
I feel like we use COMG as more of a pre-order gauge of interest and prediction metric on coming titles, but most of the sales-age interest is in the actual figures from Fam/MC/Dengeki. That and Hiska's usual leaks and reports from GamesMaya.
Info from Media Create White Book 2015
Japanese Game Market Value 2014 CY {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28} (Yen)
Software Market: 240.610.706.000¥ (47,23%)
Hardware Market: 147.125.907.000¥ (28,88%)
Used Software Market: 90.917.851.000¥ (17,85%)
Used Hardware Market: 30.762.434.000¥ (6,04%)
Total: 509.416.899.000¥ (100%)
Last Year Total: 566.719.765.000¥
Japanese Software Sales 2014 CY {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28}
Software Sales: 43.053.288 (58,64%)
Used Software Sales: 30.366.138 (41,36%)
Total Software Sales: 73.419.426 (100%)
Japanese Used Sales 2014 CY {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28}
Used Hardware Sales
3DS # - 812.230 (42,26%)
PSV # - 370.708 (19,29%)
PS3 - 211.611 (11,01%)
PSP - 158.539 (8,25%)
Wii U - 120.039 (6,25%)
PS4 - 111.372 (5,79%)
NDS # - 62.614 (3,25%)
Wii - 62.551 (3,25%)
XB360 - 12.043 (0,63%)
XBOne - 391 (0,02%)
Total Used Hardware Sales: 1.922.098 (100%)
Models Split:
3DS LL - 453.938 (23,62%)
3DS - 319.991 (16,65%)
New 3DS LL - 26.592 (1,38%)
New 3DS - 11.709 (0,61%)
Vita - 363.296 (18,90%)
Vita TV - 7.412 (0,39%)
DSi - 25.848 (1,34%)
DSL - 20.532 (1,07%)
DSi LL - 16.234 (0,84%)
Used Software Sales
PS3 - 8.119.403 (26,74%)
3DS - 8.113.516 (26,72%)
PSP - 3.528.405 (11,62%)
NDS - 3.149.251 (10,37%)
PSV - 3.004.947 (9,90%)
Wii - 1.601.295 (5,27%)
PS2 - 1.000.137 (3,29%)
Wii U - 861.132 (2,84%)
XB360 - 568.189 (1,87%)
PS4 - 418.335 (1,38%)
XBOne - 1.528 (0,01%)
Total Used Software Sales: 30.366.138
Japanese Game Market Value 2014 CY {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28} (Yen)
Software Market: 240.610.706.000¥ (47,23%)
Hardware Market: 147.125.907.000¥ (28,88%)
Used Software Market: 90.917.851.000¥ (17,85%)
Used Hardware Market: 30.762.434.000¥ (6,04%)
Total: 509.416.899.000¥ (100%)
Last Year Total: 566.719.765.000¥
Japanese Software Sales 2014 CY {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28}
Software Sales: 43.053.288 (58,64%)
Used Software Sales: 30.366.138 (41,36%)
Total Software Sales: 73.419.426 (100%)
Japanese Used Sales 2014 CY {2013.12.30 - 2014.12.28}
Used Hardware Sales
3DS # - 812.230 (42,26%)
PSV # - 370.708 (19,29%)
PS3 - 211.611 (11,01%)
PSP - 158.539 (8,25%)
Wii U - 120.039 (6,25%)
PS4 - 111.372 (5,79%)
NDS # - 62.614 (3,25%)
Wii - 62.551 (3,25%)
XB360 - 12.043 (0,63%)
XBOne - 391 (0,02%)
Total Used Hardware Sales: 1.922.098 (100%)
Models Split:
3DS LL - 453.938 (23,62%)
3DS - 319.991 (16,65%)
New 3DS LL - 26.592 (1,38%)
New 3DS - 11.709 (0,61%)
Vita - 363.296 (18,90%)
Vita TV - 7.412 (0,39%)
DSi - 25.848 (1,34%)
DSL - 20.532 (1,07%)
DSi LL - 16.234 (0,84%)
Used Software Sales
PS3 - 8.119.403 (26,74%)
3DS - 8.113.516 (26,72%)
PSP - 3.528.405 (11,62%)
NDS - 3.149.251 (10,37%)
PSV - 3.004.947 (9,90%)
Wii - 1.601.295 (5,27%)
PS2 - 1.000.137 (3,29%)
Wii U - 861.132 (2,84%)
XB360 - 568.189 (1,87%)
PS4 - 418.335 (1,38%)
XBOne - 1.528 (0,01%)
Total Used Software Sales: 30.366.138
Kresnik258
Member
I tracked COMGNET every week back to 04 including reservations, and still got that data in excel
I would be massively interested in seeing that data if you could upload it somehow.
Should be published next week.
Top 10 + market value is given at their site before top 100 at the magazine.
YSO predictions
Week 29, 2015 (Jul 13 - Jul 19)
[3DS] Yo-kai Watch: Busters < 140k
[3DS] Great Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Bouken < 40k
[WIU] Yoshi's Woolly World < 40k
[3DS] Fire Emblem Fates < 30k
[PS4] Batman: Arkham Knight < 30k
[WIU] Splatoon < 30k
Week 29, 2015 (Jul 13 - Jul 19)
[3DS] Yo-kai Watch: Busters < 140k
[3DS] Great Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Bouken < 40k
[WIU] Yoshi's Woolly World < 40k
[3DS] Fire Emblem Fates < 30k
[PS4] Batman: Arkham Knight < 30k
[WIU] Splatoon < 30k
Herb Alpert
Banned
Not very good for Yw:B if true, is it?
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Oh these are second week predictions for Yokai & Great Ace Attorney. Nvm.
Hero of Legend
Member
Splatoon just keeps on swimming.