Yeah, I think some took the smartphone port announcements as a sign of transition away from or in place of dedicated game systems bit I don't think that's the case. They seem comparably low budget compared to what the previous conversions and remakes entailed and I still think we could see a higher effort version of VIII for 3DS or it's successor.
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Media Create Sales: Week 18, 2014 (Apr 28 - May 04)
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1st Course
Member
#11 now. Still #1 on the paid apps chart.
test_account
XP-39C²
What is the reason for the big difference between Famitsu final GBA number and Nintendo's shipment number?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That's units sold verses shipments. Famitsu's numbers aren't shipments. Obviously not all of the advance shipment sold. Maybe they moved it to another region.
Yeah but I really doubt there's 1.4 millions GBA sitting on shelves or in some warehouse somewhere in Japan. Most likely Famitsu undertracked the GBA.
This is the slowest period of the year for games sales. Golden Week isn't that big, so it's understandable the threads slow down considerably too during that time.
The MK8 week will probably be huge, wether or not the game does well.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, i know that, but the difference is huge, about 1.4 million in difference like Alrus mentioned. I dont think that Nintendo overshipped 1.4 million in Japan and had to reallocate them later on.
michaelius
Banned
Maybe shipment figure includes some Asian countries ?
test_account
XP-39C²
That could be.
No releases at all? Well damn. Post GW week is always brutal, but since the whole market has been in a kind of slump since the start of the year + no release at all = ouch. It won't be pretty, especially if PS4 drops below 10k (something I could totally see happening).
And yeah, GW isn't nearly as big as it used to be in the past. Last year was already pretty meh, but this year it was even worse. Except YW, and the usual rise for Nintendo software, it was all pretty weak.
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What was the final numbers for GBA in MC?
But yeah, kinda interesting that the 3DS has surpasse the GBA because :
1) GBA had virtually no competition at all.
2) 3DS has much more competition... Vita may not be much of a threat (compared to the PSP), but mobile platforms are (which is why I really don't understand why people would say Nintendo wouldn't have any competitors in the handheld space if Sony doesn't replace the Vita... that's actually the opposite, competition would be even fiercer than ever).
So all in all, I find the 3DS's performance pretty good. The drop from DS is quite clear, but for the most part, it seems to be because of casuals going away.
Handheld next-gen is gonna pretty interesting.
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I doubt it, it'd fall in the 'Other' categories (besides Japan and North America), same as Europe. I don't remember Nintendo ever putting anything else under 'Japan'. Then again, maybe Aquamarine or another sales-ager could tell us more about this discrepancy.
GBA had competition because the home console market was still major with the PS2 securing most 3rd party support. 3DS has more mobile competition, but thats all there is anyway. Homeconsoles are performing like shit - it'll be years until if we get another new one with an installed base of more than 10 million.
It's May. General sales decline is expected and completely natural as we enter the summer months. September/Octoberish they rise again.
We have a decade or more of real-world data to back this up, it's always the same. Summers are slow for hardware. Holidays are awesome. Fall and spring are somewhere in between. It's an axiom.
And yet, every single time, starting April or so people look at the numbers, note a decline from previous weeks, and proclaim assorted market deaths, uh-ohs, doomtrains and so forth.
My failure is that I am too lazy to distill this historical precedent into an obvious, clear and easy to post single-image. I've thought about it many times, but if I do it I want to do it right. The question how to mix 52-week years with 53-week years is keeping me awake at night, not to mention the scraping of all the raw data in the first place.
As a bandaid, I point to the YTD hardware sales. But with the 700k+ hole the 3DS has torn into this year's total hardware, even that will require some additional debate to make a decent point.
How long until we get Resident Evil on smartphones?
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/849/849902/
- Market: worst April in 10 years.
- Research on gaming devices usage:
2011
- 41.9% dedicated consoles
- 10.7% feature phones
- 5.1% smartphones
- 0.4% tablets
2014
- 32.1% dedicated consoles
- 23.8% smartphones
- 5.6% tablets
- 4.2% feature phones
(There's no details on the research, but if you could pick multiple options, we can't add the percentages.)
- Market: worst April in 10 years.
- Research on gaming devices usage:
2011
- 41.9% dedicated consoles
- 10.7% feature phones
- 5.1% smartphones
- 0.4% tablets
2014
- 32.1% dedicated consoles
- 23.8% smartphones
- 5.6% tablets
- 4.2% feature phones
(There's no details on the research, but if you could pick multiple options, we can't add the percentages.)
shinra-bansho
Member
Yikes.
And to make matters worse, unlike the Western markets that are seeing a reversal of the cyclical downturn, there's really nothing on the horizon to turn these declines around.
gigantor21
Member
So not only have smartphones and tablets completely overtaken feature phones, but a MUCH bigger share of the market is playing exclusively on phones and tablets?
That's...actually a lot more worrying than just raw sales numbers. It sounds like people are just swearing off dedicated gaming devices entirely, handheld or no.
In case anyone is curious why Japanese publishers insist on focusing on mobile, take this and combine it with the complete collapse of Japanese publisher market share in the West.
1st Course
Member
Software shipments:
3DS: 61.24m*
GBA: 73.11M
*Include DD cards but not eshop sales I believe.
Nintendo systems Japanese software shipments:
Famicom: 225.86m
Nintendo DS: 213.09m
Super Famicom: 194.85m
Game Boy: 157.06m
Wii: 75.11m
Game Boy Advance: 73.11m
Nintendo 3DS: 61.24m
Nintendo 64: 39.75m
Nintendo GameCube: 27.54m
Wii U: 5.62m
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wow, do you have software shipments of playstation consoles. I'm curious
1st Course
Member
Only PS1 and PS2. Figures includ Asia.
PS1:270m (as of December 31, 2001)
PS2:228m (as of March 31, 2007)
Unfortunately the page with those figures no longer exists.
Parmenides said:
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
PS3 is around 65-70 million isn't it?
1st Course
Member
By Famitsu sell through figures, yes. Sony don't give regional hardware/software shipment figures anymore.
Is there a list of previous Golden Weeks? Would be interesting to see where 2014 stacks up against recent history.
There's links in the OP with threads for the past few years. Just chose the weeks for April 29-May 5.
For example, past 3 years :
Media Create Sales: Week 18, 2012 (Apr 30 - May 06)
01./02. [WII] Mario Party 9 <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.04.26} (¥5.800) - 144.585 / 297.468 (-5%)
02./01. [PS3] Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.04.26} (¥6.990) - 52.428 / 304.953 (-79%)
03./03. [3DS] Fire Emblem: Awakening <SLG> (Nintendo) {2012.04.19} (¥4.800) - 42.347 / 345.260 (-30%)
04./09. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800) - 28.528 / 1.563.527 (+82%)
05./14. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.800) - 22.881 / 1.695.305 (+96%)
06./15. [3DS] Kid Icarus: Uprising <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.03.22} (¥5.800) - 18.788 / 261.883 (+63%)
07./11. [3DS] Monster Hunter 3G # <ACT> (Capcom) {2011.12.10} (¥5.800) - 16.496 / 1.433.370 (+21%)
08./21. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games <SPT> (Nintendo) {2012.03.01} (¥4.800) - 13.810 / 157.337 (+123%)
09./05. [PSP] Conception: Please Give Birth to My Child! <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2012.04.26} (¥6.279) - 10.193 / 40.039 (-66%)
10./20. [WII] Wii Sports Resort with Wii Remote Plus # <SPT> (Nintendo) {2010.11.11} (¥5.800) - 10.058 / 935.555 (+61%)
11./18. [PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.03.29} (¥5.980) - 9.843 / 128.409 (+48%)
12./16. [3DS] Kingdom Hearts 3D -Dream Drop Distance- # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2012.03.29} (¥6.090) - 9.532 / 308.484 (+3%)
13./22. [NDS] Pokemon Conquest <SLG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.03.17} (¥5.800) - 9.069 / 318.067 (+50%)
14./10. [3DS] Dynasty Warriors Vs. <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.04.26} (¥6.090) - 8.614 / 24.192 (-45%)
15./23. [WII] Wii Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2010.07.08} (¥4.800) - 8.503 / 2.345.476
16./19. [PS3] Pro Baseball Spirits 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.03.29} (¥7.980) - 6.853 / 152.934 (+8%)
17./29. [WII] Mario Kart Wii <RCE> (Nintendo) {2008.04.10} (¥5.800) - 6.783 / 3.561.199 (+93%)
18./17. [PSP] 2nd Super Robot Wars Z: Saisei-hen <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.04.05} (¥7.330) - 6.546 / 328.432 (-23%)
19./27. [3DS] Harvest Moon: The Land of Origin <SLG> (Marvelous AQL) {2012.02.23} (¥5.040) - 6.408 / 179.148
20./32. [WII] Go Vacation <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.10.20} (¥5.800) - 6.002 / 271.087
21./24. [3DS] Cho-ricchi! Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisecchi <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.04.19} (¥5.040)
22./39. [WII] Kirby's Return to Dream Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.27} (¥5.800)
23./30. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.800)
24./25. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (PSP the Best) <ACT> (Capcom) {2011.09.22} (¥2.990)
25./06. [PSP] Steins;Gate: Hiyoku Renri no Darling # <ADV> (5pb.) {2012.04.26} (¥6.090)
26./35. [WII] Just Dance Wii <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.10.13} (¥5.800)
27./04. [PSV] Ciel Nosurge: Ushinawareta Hoshi e Sasagu Uta # <ETC> (Gust) {2012.04.26} (¥5.040)
28./40. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii <ACT> (Nintendo) {2009.12.03} (¥5.800)
29./28. [NDS] Detective Conan: Prelude from the Past <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.04.19} (¥5.040)
30./31. [NDS] Pokemon Black / White # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2010.09.18} (¥4.800)
31./47. [WII] Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Definitive Edition # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.11.23} (¥5.040)
32./33. [3DS] Hatsune Miku and Future Stars: Project Mirai # <ACT> (Sega) {2012.03.08} (¥6.090)
33./45. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl <FTG> (Nintendo) {2008.01.31} (¥6.800)
34./00. [WII] Family Fishing # <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.08.04} (¥5.040)
35./12. [PSP] Even in a Game, Listen to Me Girls. I Am Your Father! # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.04.26} (¥6.280)
36./13. [PSP] Ao no Exorcist: Genkoku no Labyrinth # <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.04.26} (¥5.230)
37./41. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 XL Edition <RCE> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2012.02.02} (¥4.980)
38./42. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII-2 # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2011.12.15} (¥7.980)
39./43. [PSP] Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (Rockstar Classics) <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2011.07.21} (¥2.500)
40./34. [PSP] Black Panther 2: Yakuza Ashura Chapter <ADV> (Sega) {2012.03.22} (¥6.279)
41./00. [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2011.05.26} (¥6.090)
42./46. [PS3] Winning Post 7 2012 <SLG> (Koei Tecmo) {2012.03.15} (¥7.560)
43./00. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. <ACT> (Nintendo) {2006.05.25} (¥4.800)
44./00. [3DS] Inazuma Eleven Go: Shine / Dark <RPG> (Level 5) {2011.12.15} (¥5.800)
45./48. [3DS] Mame Goma: Shiro to Kuro no Meikyuu <SLG> (Nippon) {2012.04.26} (¥5.040)
46./00. [3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.08.11} (¥4.800)
47./36. [PS3] Devil May Cry HD Collection <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.03.22} (¥4.990)
48./00. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D <ADV> (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} (¥4.800)
49./49. [3DS] Theatrhythm Final Fantasy <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.02.16} (¥6.090)
50./50. [PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.03.01} (¥8.190)
Top 50
3DS - 18
WII - 11
PSP - 9
PS3 - 7
NDS - 4
PSV - 1
SOFTWARE
Code:-------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 836.000 | 1.039.000 | 697.000 | 16.549.000 | 16.681.000 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
HARDWARE
Code:---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 3DS | 91.868 | 74.282 | 29.149 | 1.627.266 | 977.695 | 5.909.409 | | PS3 | 23.478 | 21.114 | 20.883 | 518.739 | 491.190 | 8.155.124 | | PSP # | 20.033 | 22.457 | 55.140 | 360.213 | 884.339 | 19.089.597 | | WII | 15.789 | 9.200 | 11.520 | 206.117 | 266.389 | 12.369.338 | | PSV | 10.583 | 12.299 | | 250.773 | | 690.759 | | NDS # | 1.911 | 1.612 | 19.516 | 36.261 | 413.049 | 32.844.747 | | PS2 | 1.611 | 1.395 | 1.696 | 21.484 | 30.839 | 21.795.591 | | 360 | 1.420 | 1.327 | 3.419 | 27.342 | 45.011 | 1.563.387 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ALL | 166.693 | 143.686 | 141.323 | 3.048.195 | 3.108.512 | 102.417.952 | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | DSiLL | 1.097 | 895 | 10.519 | 20.648 | 213.572 | 2.314.967 | | DSi | 814 | 717 | 8.708 | 15.613 | 181.629 | 5.849.663 | | PSP | 20.033 | 22.457 | 54.882 | 360.213 | 869.503 | 18.913.610 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2012 (Apr 23 - Apr 29)
Looking back at those numbers, I'm now 100% convinced the casual boom of the Wii/DS is pretty much the main (sole?) reason GW is usually described a pretty big deal... whereas it just seems to have roughly the same effect as any other holiday.
Here's the exact Sega quote about converting more of their series to digital:
Source: http://www.segasammy.co.jp/english/ir/library/pdf/settlement/2014/201403_tanshin_final_e.pdfSega said:
Random question, but which do you guys think will sell more in Japan? Persona 5 or Tales of Zestiria? No Persona game has touched Xillia 1 or 2 sales (600k+) and I think Zestiria has a shot at 450-500k+ (I'm not sure if it'll reach Xillia 2 sales). On the other hand P5 has a lot of build up behind it it with all the cross media promotion for the other games and lots of other Persona games and ports.
P5 is also #1 in Famitsu's Most Wanted list (also Last Remnant refuses to drop lol). FMW isn't the best metric for sales (Persona Q is two spots above Zestiria but I think everyone would agree Zestiria is going to sell more), but it's still interesting.
P5 is also #1 in Famitsu's Most Wanted list (also Last Remnant refuses to drop lol). FMW isn't the best metric for sales (Persona Q is two spots above Zestiria but I think everyone would agree Zestiria is going to sell more), but it's still interesting.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
tales
i feel like persona would sell more than tales in the west but tales will beat it in japan.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
golden did 350 so P5 will probably be in the 400k range, 500K wouldn't surprise me either. I think 400k for Persona and 500k+ for tales sounds about right.
P4 sold ~295k according to Garaph and Golden sold ~230k. I really doubt P5 will only sell 300k. That would exhibit little growth. I think P5 will sell 400k at least.
Edit: Wait I forgot Golden shipped 350k. But point stands anyway.
I think Persona will do more than that.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Golden apparently did 350k when you combine shipped+digital sales, not like you can channel stuff a Vita game either, even in Japan.
edit: also the best version of P4 did like 40k I think.
Yeah I forgot about that. 400k for P5 might be a low end number then.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
You know what, I actually wouldn't be surprised if P5 did tales numbers, they have been on a massive media blitz this year, 3 P3 movies, 1 dancing game, 1 fighting game, 1 3DS game and another freaking anime. Not to mention that Persona has grown a lot.
I'm gonna say Persona.
I think Tales of Zestiria will suffer from its yearly releases. We've already seen a decline for Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD compilation, and i'm sure first Xillia numbers are unreachable now.
In the other side, a main Persona game has been long awaited, and the fanbase is growing everyday. I can perfectly see the game reaching the 500k mark.
I think Tales of Zestiria will suffer from its yearly releases. We've already seen a decline for Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD compilation, and i'm sure first Xillia numbers are unreachable now.
In the other side, a main Persona game has been long awaited, and the fanbase is growing everyday. I can perfectly see the game reaching the 500k mark.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Definitely, a chink of the audience is there but I don't think they are that dedicated. There are definitely fans out there who don't own a Vita and the movies, anime and 3DS game will definitely bring some people in.
I'm expecting somewhere around 450k for Persona 5.
I'm not expecting Zesteria to sell Xillia numbers, but Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD selling less were expected.
I really feel that all of that stuff only appeals to people who are already into the series. I don't see the games bringing in new people, while the movies and anime are basically targeting the exact same people who watched the first anime and they're the reason why the Vita game did so well.
I'm not expecting Zesteria to sell Xillia numbers, but Xillia 2 and Symphonia HD selling less were expected.
I really feel that all of that stuff only appeals to people who are already into the series. I don't see the games bringing in new people, while the movies and anime are basically targeting the exact same people who watched the first anime and they're the reason why the Vita game did so well.
What are you comparing ToS HD numbers to? I think it's a good thing for Zestiria that the "major" Tales release for 2013 was just ToS HD. Xillia 2 released late 2012, while Zestiria is going to release late 2014. That's 2 years or so between mothership titles.
A lot of people have been waiting for P5, and probably another Atlus console game in general (despite mobiles/handhelds taking over), so I don't think it's worth comparing it to other franchises. There are no other Megaten games on PS3 (unfortunately).
Also I find it kinda interesting that P4D doesn't appear on Famitsu's Most Wanted at all. I guess Famitsu readership isn't geared to dancing titles, even if it's Persona, though I think it'll sell fine regardless.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Said this a million times before but SMT IV could have done some significant numbers on PS3, not saying that the 3DS numbers weren't good though.
The issue I have with P4D is that its a Project Diva game that doesn't feature the very reasons why the series is popular.
Anyone know how well the P3 movie did?
Even if a lot of people are attached P4 characters, I think many of those people will be looking forward to P5 regardless.