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[GymWolf]

You could just reinstall whatever driver version you are on an NOT tick GFE.
This will actually remove GFE from your PC. (found out the hardway, I figured it would stay as long as I already had it)
GFE is the only way to access Nvidia Freestyle, Nvidia Ansel and Nvidias overlay.
So if you want Nvidias Overlay or to use any Freestyle effects might as well just keep it.


Doing an Advanced Boot from the settings menu you dont get the recovery screen its just blank?
That is strange.
I cant think why recovery menu wouldnt work.

Have you tried forced recovery after forcing 3 failed boots.

I did an install without using ddu because i don't care about gf experience but now i have another problem.

I don't have the multiple monitor setting in the nvidia control panel so i can't fucking switch between the monitor and the oled.

ANy solutions or reason why i don't have that voice? is it win11 fuckery?

 

[GymWolf]

edit: i'm a fucking idiot.

 

[winjer]

So it looks like the pc builder already enabled the resizeable bar because in the nvidia control panel it says that it is enabled.

But i have 2 problems now:

the pc is kinda...slow to turn on? like double the time of my old pc with a way faster ssd, also it doesn't show any msi splashscreen or anything, it just goes from black to turned on.

There is an option to show or hide the MSI logo at start. I always turn it off, so it shows the UEFI info at boot.
There is also an option to turn on Fast Boot. This disables certain checks and memory training. If the system is stable these things can be safely disabled.
But one of the things that usually happens when a system takes too long to boot is that memory is unstable and retrains every time the PC starts.
If you want to be sure, run TestMem5 with the Anta777 Extrme preset. And also a bit of Y-cruncher.

And i can't go to the recovery mode to use ddu to uninstall the nvidia drivers for a clean install because the dude installed geforce experience and i don't want that.

When the PC is at the user login screen, press SHIFT then restart, this will bring up the recovery screen. After that, just select safe mode.
But to uninstall GeForce Experience that is not required. Just open Control panel, then under Programs, select the option Uninstall Programs. Then select GFE and uninstall it.
You can also use a program like Hibit Uninstaller. This cleans up the PC, registry and lose files.

I tried with the method i always used, an advanced reboot from the setting, the pc rebooted but it didn't showed anything, just a black screen but it was working because the fans were on, then i was panicked and i just clicked the mouse or something in the keyboard and it rebooted normally.

What the fuck?

How are the results? and how the fuck do i go into recovery mode?

Your 3D mark Score seems good.
Passmark is not a good benchmark, so I never use it. I have no idea what those numbers mean, they don't even memory bandwidth and latency scores.

Use Intel memory latency checker.

Intel® Memory Latency Checker v3.9a

Intel® Memory Latency Checker (Intel® MLC) is a tool used to measure memory latencies and b/w, and how they change with increasing load on the system.

www.intel.com

Or the GUI version:

GitHub - FarisR99/IMLCGui: Intel Memory Latency Checker GUI

Intel Memory Latency Checker GUI. Contribute to FarisR99/IMLCGui development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

 

[ChoosableOne]

So it looks like the pc builder already enabled the resizeable bar because in the nvidia control panel it says that it is enabled.

But i have 2 problems now:

the pc is kinda...slow to turn on? like double the time of my old pc with a way faster ssd, also it doesn't show any msi splashscreen or anything, it just goes from black to turned on.

And i can't go to the recovery mode to use ddu to uninstall the nvidia drivers for a clean install because the dude installed geforce experience and i don't want that.

I tried with the method i always used, an advanced reboot from the setting, the pc rebooted but it didn't showed anything, just a black screen but it was working because the fans were on, then i was panicked and i just clicked the mouse or something in the keyboard and it rebooted normally.

What the fuck?

these are the benchh they did

How are the results? and how the fuck do i go into recovery mode?

Oh man, this reminded me of the boring period I've been dealing with benchmarks recently. I changed my cpu, motherboard, graphics card, added a nvme ssd, but still not completely satisfied, so I ordered some more RAM. Sometimes I wonder if I should've stayed as a console player. Small things can bother you while gaming on PC. Being a member of a master race is sometimes challenging.

 

[GymWolf]

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[GymWolf]

Oh man, this reminded me of the boring period I've been dealing with benchmarks recently. I changed my cpu, motherboard, graphics card, added a nvme ssd, but still not completely satisfied, so I ordered some more RAM. Sometimes I wonder if I should've stayed as a console player. Small things can bother you while gaming on PC. Being a member of a master race is sometimes challenging.

No the problem was that i invited my friend to see the new pc wnd i let him attach the cables while i was putting away all the parts's boxes and he attached the hdmi cable into the mobo, not the gpu, the pc was basically reading the integrated gpu...

A rookie mistake that i made when i bought my first pc.

 

[GymWolf]

This fractal torrent case is like having a mini-fridge in the room, the air that comes out of it is fucking glacial...like colder than my fucking air conditioner on his coldest temp set.

I'm pretty sure that even after 3 hours of gaming no part was over 40° celsius inside this thing

It legit transform a room into an iglu...

 

[twilo99]

what did you do? pour some liquid nitrogen in there?

Is it this thing? It looks nicee

Fractal Design Torrent RGB Black E-ATX Tempered Glass Window High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case - Newegg.com

Buy Fractal Design Torrent RGB Black E-ATX Tempered Glass Window High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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wait they moved the PSU upstairs! Has that been a trend or something new?

It makes perfects sense of course lol

 

[DanEON]

My 7700X has been a rather nice upgrade over my 12700K, but I do get frustrated at how often the system won't boot.

It had a nasty issue where it wouldn't boot and the motherboard would stay on red. It doesn't always do that but it does it roughly 1 out of 10 boots and I am curious as to why. The most recent time where it booted, the main OS M.2. didn't show up. Once I shut off the system from the back, it came back and booted normally.

Anyone have any weird issues? I've seen that some suggest that disabling Fast Boot might be the best way.

My motherboard is the Asus Prime X670E

It's being undervolted with an 85W power limit and is VERY quiet and cool.

My mobo is the Asus Tuf Gaming X670E Plus and CPU is the 7600 (new PC, built it last week). I had a boot issue just after updating the mobo bios, the mobo red light turned on indicating RAM fail. So I tried with one RAM stick, and then with the other stick and back to both sticks. But it just booted again after turning off the power supply. And then the system continued with the bios update. Very weird.
After that I had another boot issue. But this time it was storage related. And the problem was an USB hub I was using (Tp-Link UH700 with external power), I just turned off the hub and the system booted. Somehow it was detecting the hub as a boot device.

 

[Celcius]

I didn’t even realize the 13900ks was out. I’m surprised more YouTube channels aren’t covering it.

 

[Yerd]

what did you do? pour some liquid nitrogen in there?

Is it this thing? It looks nicee

http://[URL]https://www.newegg.com/black-fractal-design-torrent-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811352146

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wait they moved the PSU upstairs! Has that been a trend or something new?

It makes perfects sense of course lol

Psu used to be on the top in all cases in the past. Top heavy, sources of heat. Moved to the bottom made life better.

 

[twilo99]

Right the older cases did…But heat rises so not sure if bottom makes sense

 

[GymWolf]

what did you do? pour some liquid nitrogen in there?

Is it this thing? It looks nicee

Fractal Design Torrent RGB Black E-ATX Tempered Glass Window High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case - Newegg.com

Buy Fractal Design Torrent RGB Black E-ATX Tempered Glass Window High-Airflow Mid Tower Computer Case with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

wait they moved the PSU upstairs! Has that been a trend or something new?

It makes perfects sense of course lol

Yeah, that's the one.

It has 5 fans included and 2 of them are 180mm...

I don't know what its fucking deal is, but it's glacial.

 

[rofif]

Look what I have !!!
Voodoo 1 !!! Whole 4mb of vram. Enough to run Forspoken, am I right?
You can even count all 8x512mb of it.

I have 3,5 retro pc's and a whole dump of gadgets. But it's all 3 floors in the basement and I don't have any room for it here... so if I go get it someday, it will be a mess week.

 

[twilo99]

Yeah, that's the one.

It has 5 fans included and 2 of them are 180mm...

I don't know what its fucking deal is, but it's glacial.

well it looks dope and if its overachieving ... gg

 

[GymWolf]

well it looks dope and if its overachieving ... gg

Yeah but i already have a cold house, i don't need an open fridge in my room that make the room even colder

 

[twilo99]

Look what I have !!!
Voodoo 1 !!! Whole 4mb of vram. Enough to run Forspoken, am I right?
You can even count all 8x512mb of it.

Beautiful!

That was my Quake 2 card on a 120hz CRT

 

[twilo99]

Yeah but i already have a cold house, i don't need an open fridge in my room that make the room even colder

yes, more blankets for now then!

You will be grateful in the summer

 

[rofif]

Beautiful!

That was my Quake 2 card on a 120hz CRT

Beautiful times mate. I very very fondly remember gaming magazines. Think how amazingly it must've worked for us boomer, back then kids?
-You have to wait 1 month for new magazine.
-You are rewarded with 1-2 full games + even 20 demos of new stuff!!!
-You get to read 100-200 pages of previews, reviews, so you read a lot. I was reading even reviews of games that don't interest me. News, tech, everything.

Then, I knew what games I want and we traded burnt CDs or visited playground friends with hard drives to swap games. I used to have every game I wanted and none of us had internet. God knows how it worked lol
So patience, friends, activities, brain usage.
SAYING ALL THIS I CAN SAFELY SAY I REALIZE THIS IS ULTRA MEGA BOOMER TALK LOL
(I do not support piracy! It was 90s and I've not pirated a single games since I am an adult!!!)

 

[DanEON]

But one of the things that usually happens when a system takes too long to boot is that memory is unstable and retrains every time the PC starts.
If you want to be sure, run TestMem5 with the Anta777 Extrme preset. And also a bit of Y-cruncher.

My system takes 40s to boot into windows, with win 11 fast start turned off. (Ryzen 7600, XPG Nvme gen4). How long does memory training takes? Is there a way to know when memory is training on boot?

 

[winjer]

My system takes 40s to boot into windows, with win 11 fast start turned off. (Ryzen 7600, XPG Nvme gen4). How long does memory training takes? Is there a way to know when memory is training on boot?

But how long does it take to the Windows starting to load?

 

[GHG]

New parts time. Just the aesthetics (well, also a cooler but it's 80% aesthetic and 20% cooling) for now.

Still deciding whether I should get a 13700k or wait for the AM5 3D v cache chips. Whatever I get will be paired with the 4090 and then I'll just slot the 4080 into my current 5800x3d build.

Still need a case, motherboard, cpu and ram.

 

[DanEON]

But how long does it take to the Windows starting to load?

28s until I get video signal and asus logo shows up and win start to load. Then more 17s until the screen where I can insert my windows password.

During the initial 28s, the Q-Leds on the asus Mobo were lit like this:
17s on yellow (DRAM)
7s on red (CPU)
0,5s on white (VGA)
And green (boot) until win loads.

 

[twilo99]

New parts time. Just the aesthetics (well, also a cooler but it's 80% aesthetic and 20% cooling) for now.

That has the potential to be really bright lol make sure to share pics when ready!

 

[twilo99]

$280

Just testing the market I guess

 

[dave_d]

Look what I have !!!
Voodoo 1 !!! Whole 4mb of vram. Enough to run Forspoken, am I right?
You can even count all 8x512mb of it.

I have 3,5 retro pc's and a whole dump of gadgets. But it's all 3 floors in the basement and I don't have any room for it here... so if I go get it someday, it will be a mess week.

Damn, that brings back memories. Going from a pentium with standard VGA to that was a HUGE jump. Of course the big question, you got an Gravis Ultrasound to go with it?

 

[rofif]

Damn, that brings back memories. Going from a pentium with standard VGA to that was a HUGE jump. Of course the big question, you got an Gravis Ultrasound to go with it?

Sadly no. Just sound blaster and few other opl3 cards though!

 

[Yerd]

Sadly no. Just sound blaster and few other opl3 cards though!

I had several old cards that I just threw in the trash from that era, couple years back. I don't remember if I tossed the voodoo cards too, or nostalgia prevented me.

 

[Yerd]

I guess nostalgia stopped me from tossing these into the trash.

 

[GHG]

Sorry if it's already been covered in this thread, but DDR5.

If I'm to go with the 13700k then what speed/timing should I be looking at to get the most out of everything? Is 6000 Cl40 good or should I be shooting for faster and/or tighter timings?

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Whats the easiest way to toggle HDR in Windows 10?

Ideally i'd like to do it from my controller (seems rewasd can help there - but that requires the Win + Alt +B key)..

And that only works if Game Bar is enabled, fml. Last i checked (about 2 years ago), game bar does affects performance. Is that still true?

 

[winjer]

Sorry if it's already been covered in this thread, but DDR5.

If I'm to go with the 13700k then what speed/timing should I be looking at to get the most out of everything? Is 6000 Cl40 good or should I be shooting for faster and/or tighter timings?

Do you plan on doing OC? Or just standard XMP?
If it's just for normal XMP, the chip die isn't important. So just buy something around between 5600-6000 MT/s.
It won't make that big a diference for performance, be it CAS of clock speed.

If you want to OC, then Hynix A die is the best, but expensive. Hynix M die is second best, but much cheaper. Samsung is in last place, but not bad by any means.

For something cheap and fast, consider something like TeamGroup T-Force Vulcan 32GB 5600 CL36. This is Samsung Die, but can be easily clocked to 6000 Mt/s.
The G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB 6400mhz CL32, are very likely to be Hynix M-die. So they will be pretty good for overclock.

I don't know prices for your region.

 

[GHG]

Do you plan on doing OC? Or just standard XMP?
If it's just for normal XMP, the chip die isn't important. So just buy something around between 5600-6000 MT/s.
It won't make that big a diference for performance, be it CAS of clock speed.

If you want to OC, then Hynix A die is the best, but expensive. Hynix M die is second best, but much cheaper. Samsung is in last place, but not bad by any means.

For something cheap and fast, consider something like TeamGroup T-Force Vulcan 32GB 5600 CL36. This is Samsung Die, but can be easily clocked to 6000 Mt/s.
The G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32GB 6400mhz CL32, are very likely to be Hynix M-die. So they will be pretty good for overclock.

I don't know prices for your region.

Thanks. Not planning on doing any sort of OC unless I need to at some point down the line but if I go the Intel route then I'll get a Z790 board so the option will be there.

I'm looking at the following 3 kits:

KF560C40BBK2

KF564C32RSAK2-32

AX5U6000C4016G-DCLARBK

Trying to stick with purchasing from amazon because of their easy returns policy in case anything is faulty. Can't get the gskill or teamgroup stuff unless I import from Newegg which I'd rather not do.

 

[winjer]

Thanks. Not planning on doing any sort of OC unless I need to at some point down the line but if I go the Intel route then I'll get a Z790 board so the option will be there.

I'm looking at the following 3 kits:

KF560C40BBK2

KF564C32RSAK2-32

AX5U6000C4016G-DCLARBK

Trying to stick with purchasing from amazon because of their easy returns policy in case anything is faulty. Can't get the gskill or teamgroup stuff unless I import from Newegg which I'd rather not do.

The XPG Lancer RGB DDR5-6000 2x 16 GB are Hynix, probably M-die. So it's good stuff.
And if ever you need to OC, this kit can give you that option.

 

[GymWolf]

Sorry if it's already been covered in this thread, but DDR5.

If I'm to go with the 13700k then what speed/timing should I be looking at to get the most out of everything? Is 6000 Cl40 good or should I be shooting for faster and/or tighter timings?

I bought 6000 cl36, the best on the market right now should be 6400 cl32 from gskills i think.

From the bench i saw, not much difference at 4k between 6000 and 6400.

At least try to get 6000 with lower cl than 40.

 

[winjer]

 

[winjer]

28s until I get video signal and asus logo shows up and win start to load. Then more 17s until the screen where I can insert my windows password.

During the initial 28s, the Q-Leds on the asus Mobo were lit like this:
17s on yellow (DRAM)
7s on red (CPU)
0,5s on white (VGA)
And green (boot) until win loads.

17 seconds on ram might mean it's training or verifying ram. Try enabling fast boot.

BTW, are you on the newest bios? Some time ago, the first BIOS had took longer to train DDR5.

 

[DanEON]

17 seconds on ram might mean it's training or verifying ram. Try enabling fast boot.

BTW, are you on the newest bios? Some time ago, the first BIOS had took longer to train DDR5.

Yes. I have the newest bios.

Edit: I found this thread, where they are saying that a 30-45s post is normal. And the system actually does memory training every time you turn on the PC.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/long-am5-post-times.300869/

 

[chigstoke]

I discovered this hiding away today, and it hasn't even been used. I am going to be an Elite gamer and quite frankly you'll never get on my level with this sort of peripheral at my disposal.

 

[SHA]

I upgrade when there's something demanding at the same time makes sense and not just for the sake of upgrade cause there are many fake next-gen stuff out there, be careful , don't buy into all the nonsense.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

I upgrade when there's something demanding at the same time makes sense and not just for the sake of upgrade cause there are many fake next-gen stuff out there, be careful , don't buy into all the nonsense.

I think a good time to upgrade will be after gpus are capable of running path tracing on latest titles not just on old demos. That is probably one or two gpu gens away.

Also think another nice upgrade might be when desktop ryzen's start coming with the xdna ai accelerator. Main ram can be far larger than gpu ram, allowing for larger ai models to be used without issue. Open source ai companies are likely to keep releasing models, and the larger they are the better they tend to be.

 

[Celcius]

Oof at the 7800X3D getting delayed to April. That’s really disappointing…

 

[Yerd]

Can any of you guys recommend a small keyboard that is low profile, compact size, to fit in a bag with a laptop? Mechanical or not. I don't want that clicky noise. I don't know how people can suffer through that crap.

I see these tiny keyboards people use for their desktops, but I want that with a lower vertical profile.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Ive got dibs on a 6700xt for a really good price.

I have a 6600xt and usually game around the 1260p-1440p range if i can (anything but 1080p). The 6600xt is doing quite well but extra oomph doesnt hurt, especially if i can sell it and upgrade with just afew extra bucks.

Question is : will a 3770k bottleneck the 6700xt..?

 

[crazepharmacist]

Most likely will need a BIOS update. I'd be very surprised if they didn't.

What about if you wait to buy a motherboard until after the new chips come out? Would new production motherboards be updated to the new bios from the factory?

 

[GymWolf]

Since i made the new build, my lg c1 volume is very low compared to my old pc, like i have to put netflix at double the volume and it still sound lower...

It could be a lot of things between realtek drivers, stuff to turn on in win11, nvidia audio drivers, etc.

How the fuck do i even localize the problem?

 

[GreatnessRD]

What about if you wait to buy a motherboard until after the new chips come out? Would new production motherboards be updated to the new bios from the factory?

Yeah, they would, but the odds of consumers getting those immediately would be slim. (Not impossible, but slim) For reference in a bygone era, I purchased my MSI B550 gaming plus motherboard Dec '20. The BIOS on that board was from April '20. Just all depends on your luck, like the silicon lottery.

 

[Dipship31]

I'm about 5 years removed from my last full PC upgrade so looking to get another build going. Every time I do this I pretty much space how I did it the time before so wanted to ask GAF the starting point in 2023. Here's what I'm working with currently:

Now that I have an ultrawide monitor newer games are starting to struggle at 1440p so thought it might be time to do a full upgrade. Here's what I'm assuming I have to buy:

Case (no idea what's good or what to go for)
CPU (Intel or AMD?)
MOBO (no idea what's good or what to go for)
RAM (32 GB I'd assume)
GFX Card (Thinking 4070TI)
PSU (1000W?)

and I'm probably missing some things, but what is a good "checklist" on what to order these days? Also just curious if anyone has any recommendations for any / all of those items? I was planning on just moving my Crucial SSD from my current PC into the new build, shouldn't be any issues with that correct? Looking to go pretty nice with this set so hoping to budget about $2k for it all if it's possible. I've typically gone Intel for my CPU's, but are AMD's better value and/or performance these days? Lastly for the graphics card I initially was thinking the 4070TI as that seems like a sweet spot for 1440p.

Up for any recommendations though

 

[R6Rider]

More RAM

 

[Catphish]

More RAM seconded. 32GB is becoming essential. Card seems on point with 12GB.