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[Raven117]

I believe that. It's a pet peeve (understated) of mine so had to mention it =P

Anyway, thanks man.

I'm still rehabilitating so I'm baby steps. That 100kg lift was more of a test haha. Did notice loss of grip strength in my left hand though.

I'm thinking about ordering shinguards

These

Not that costly and second best in some review test I came across.

I don't mind opening my shins but rather the mess.

Today's session is gonna be bloody for sure lmao.

I literally just bought some deadlifting socks yesterday. SBD, https://us.sbdapparel.com/products/deadlift-socks

I want to try these before I go full shin guard.

 

[22•22]

I just ordered 2 different brands as well. Guards tho 5mm. Pretty sure the socks won't do. I hope they work for you though! My right shin looked like Carrie today.

 

[22•22]

Those look good Raven117


These are the other ones I ordered. Hope at least one of the 2 fits and feels well etc. Fingers crossed.

 

[Raven117]

Those look good Raven117


These are the other ones I ordered. Hope at least one of the 2 fits and feels well etc. Fingers crossed.

I was thinking that ultimately, form wise, you shouldn't be bashing the hell out of your shins. That means you aren't going straight up, but likely leaning back and trying to put more of the lift on your quads. So, socks to help the skin, but otherwise, try and do them properly and go straight up...or suffer the consequences.

 

[22•22]

I was thinking that ultimately, form wise, you shouldn't be bashing the hell out of your shins. That means you aren't going straight up, but likely leaning back and trying to put more of the lift on your quads. So, socks to help the skin, but otherwise, try and do them properly and go straight up...or suffer the consequences.

Nah I'm not bashing anything. I do them properly. Weird response man. Sorry to say.

 

[Raven117]

Nah I'm not bashing anything. I do them properly. Weird response man. Sorry to say.

I meant more of the general "you", not you specifically.

In other words, "one shouldn't be bashing the hell out of one's shins. It means the lifter isn't going straight up (i bash my shins as well as scrape/bleed). I got socks for me so while I will stop the scrape, I'll still suffer the consequences of bad form and bashing my shins.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

The big issue for me is getting the amount of protein that I need per day. I'm going for hypertrophy and getting 200 grams of protein in per day is no easy feat. It's expensive. If Abby can do it, why can't I?

 

[22•22]

It's scraping. And the scabs aren't healing. I scrape to hard perhaps, true. My quads are last in place to to any work.
Maybe I took your post to personal but how couldn't I? I've been form over weight since I started 15 years ago =)

Sorry text is hard to interpret and yeah i take shit waaaaay to personal in general.



Ps I make a point to NOT lean back for leverage.

 

[22•22]

The big issue for me is getting the amount of protein that I need per day. I'm going for hypertrophy and getting 200 grams of protein in per day is no easy feat. It's expensive. If Abby can do it, why can't I?

Lots or red meat and boiled eggs. *farts*

 

[Raven117]

The big issue for me is getting the amount of protein that I need per day. I'm going for hypertrophy and getting 200 grams of protein in per day is no easy feat. It's expensive. If Abby can do it, why can't I?

As do we all man. As do we all. I've found that cottage cheese (cheaper that greek yogurt...but I eat that too) is good, as well as shelled frozen edamame (to me, these are awesome while eating frozen...you have to knaw on them which gives more of an "eating" sensation), get me pretty close to that 200 grams. (I'm more around 180ish).

It's scraping. And the scabs aren't healing. I scrape to hard perhaps, true. My quads are last in place to to any work.
Maybe I took your post to personal but how couldn't I? I've been form over weight since I started 15 years ago =)

Sorry text is hard to interpret and yeah i take shit waaaaay to personal in general.

No worries my man. You are doing well.

 

[22•22]

I know you meant well. No worries as well. It was the hotsauce I just had talking =P We are both doing well

 

[22•22]

Lots or red meat and boiled eggs. *farts*

Yeah cottage cheese and mozzarella (is guess) are good as well i reckon.

 

[Raven117]

I know you meant well. No worries as well. It was the hotsauce I just had talking =P We are both doing well

Good deal!

Now, I'm trying to figure out how much weight to put on during a bulk. I got down to a very light weight back around mid-November, but stalled because I simply didn't have enough muscle for it all really to work well. I've gained about 10-12 pounds since thanksgiving week of last year to this morning. That seems reasonable, but I don't know how long I should "bulk" for.

I know the first few pounds of that was just glycogen getting back into my muscles as well as water...But yeah....don't know for how much longer I should go. Probably for another two months...at least. I was too calorie restricted for too long.

 

[22•22]

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[22•22]

Depends on how big you wanna be. Bulk until you think yeah this looks good and very gradually lower your caloric intake to get a little more definition if that's a goal.

But me ape without knowledge fwiw

 

[VenomousCoffee]

That Mark Rippetoe guy knows his shit huh Good stuff.

Like what you like and follow the programming you want, but I'm pretty sure he's seen as a bit of a dinosaur at this point

 

[22•22]

Like what you like and follow the programming you want, but I'm pretty sure he's seen as a bit of a dinosaur at this point

I'm not following his or any program atm

Didnt watch his vids till recently. Like 3 weeks ago for some fundamentals.

Funnily enough saw Alan Thrall standing in a crowd during a bent over row breakdown.

Not sure what else to say.

I guess your whole point was insinuating he's old and irrelevant or something?

 

[Raven117]

I have no clue. Sorry.

My whole reason was to lose weight when I started. Went from 130+ to 71kg in 5 or 6 years and never wanted to bulk ie get swole. Eventually I got a nickname "King Dry" direct translation from dutch. I had muscle tho. People approached me asking if I was doing competition lmao.

But that was 10 years ago haha.

Still wanna remain lean but more towards strength rather than aesthetics. Bit of both.

I'm sure there are lots of posters that can help you out!

Was just speaking to the thread generally.

I just got too thin. Needed to up my calories for both strength and size. I’ll just test everything out and see what works.

 

[22•22]

Was just speaking to the thread generally.

I just got too thin. Needed to up my calories for both strength and size. I’ll just test everything out and see what works.

I wish I was getting thin. Need to lose some kg

 

[Raven117]

I wish I was getting thin. Need to lose some kg

With your dedication, you will get there. Just gotta dial in the diet

 

[22•22]

With your dedication, you will get there. Just gotta dial in the diet

On it

 

[Osthyvel]

2022 was a fantastic year in the gym for me, 28 years since i first stepped in to the gym, 28! years, its in my dna, this year i will be shredded af. Don't care that much for size or strength now, as i am getting older its more about being in good shape. Light weight!

 

[Maiden Voyage]

2022 was a fantastic year in the gym for me, 28 years since i first stepped in to the gym, 28! years, its in my dna, this year i will be shredded af. Don't care that much for size or strength now, as i am getting older its more about being in good shape. Light weight!

Same here. I've always been lean 120-150 lbs. As I'm a bit older now it's all about optimizing my health over anything. Running, yoga, weight lifting, and meditation. Good foods as well.

 

[Osthyvel]

Same here. I've always been lean 120-150 lbs. As I'm a bit older now it's all about optimizing my health over anything. Running, yoga, weight lifting, and meditation. Good foods as well.

Yes, thats the way, good food, weight lifting, meditation/relaxation, good sleep, stretching and a lot of sex. I have not tried yoga yet, i am sure i would like it but i am hooked on Qi Gong. I am tall and have a lot of muscles after 28 years training so i am currently at around 254 lbs =) my goal is to be around 225-230 lbs. I only workout at the gym 3 times/week, for me nowadays its optimal, i recently switch from a 3day split/week to 3 full body workouts/week, thats my first step to shredd, and cleaning up a little on my plate an be sure that i get enough protein/day, nothing more than that, might count calories further down the road though, mostly to keep count that i don't eat to little.

No cardio more then brisk walks, and those are just for wellbeing, getting sun etc =)

 

[Maiden Voyage]

 

[22•22]

Haha I'm so happy my gym isn't full of people instagramming

 

[VenomousCoffee]

I'm not following his or any program atm

Didnt watch his vids till recently. Like 3 weeks ago for some fundamentals.

Funnily enough saw Alan Thrall standing in a crowd during a bent over row breakdown.

Not sure what else to say.

I guess your whole point was insinuating he's old and irrelevant or something?

Rippetoe's reputation today is that he hasn't kept up with modern strength programming.

 

[22•22]

Rippetoe's reputation today is that he hasn't kept up with modern strength programming.

I see. Well that could be the case for sure. Been on a 10 year hiatus and remembered his name. Needed some fundamentals firstly.

Never used a program because getting strong was never my goal before I stopped.
But it's a goal now.

It makes my head hurt only thinking about scouring the interwebs for a quintessential strength programming dude/channel.

There are so much that say their way is THE way.

So any recommendations are appreciated.

 

[Raven117]

The truth of the matter is that there is no THE way. All bodies are different and only with time and patience can you figure out works best for you and your goals. It’s a frustrating answer, but that’s the way of it.

 

[22•22]

I didnt say there's is only one way for everybody.

I said it's full of those that claim it.

Anyways I've been doing me all the way and I'll most likely keep on doing just that.

 

[VenomousCoffee]

I see. Well that could be the case for sure. Been on a 10 year hiatus and remembered his name. Needed some fundamentals firstly.

Never used a program because getting strong was never my goal before I stopped.
But it's a goal now.

It makes my head hurt only thinking about scouring the interwebs for a quintessential strength programming dude/channel.

There are so much that say their way is THE way.

So any recommendations are appreciated.

Well, I use Tactical Barbell. It's strength and conditioning for military and law enforcement (I'm recreational though). There are books on Amazon, maybe 10 bucks each for the Kindle versions. I can point you to them if you like. There's a regular lifting book, a regular conditioning book, a mass-building lifting book, and an advanced running book.

TB is, basically, you spend half your week lifting to build strength and half running, doing burpees and kettlebell swings, etc. to improve your heart health and overall fitness. I've been doing it about 4-5 years now and I wouldn't do anything else. It mainly requires the discipline to show up and do the workout every day to succeed and make progress.

 

[Raven117]

I didnt say there's is only one way for everybody.

I said it's full of those that claim it.

Anyways I've been doing me all the way and I'll most likely keep on doing just that.

Nor did I say that you think there is one way for everybody.

Edit: Deadlifting socks for the win. They really helped.

 

[22•22]

Well, I use Tactical Barbell. It's strength and conditioning for military and law enforcement (I'm recreational though). There are books on Amazon, maybe 10 bucks each for the Kindle versions. I can point you to them if you like. There's a regular lifting book, a regular conditioning book, a mass-building lifting book, and an advanced running book.

TB is, basically, you spend half your week lifting to build strength and half running, doing burpees and kettlebell swings, etc. to improve your heart health and overall fitness. I've been doing it about 4-5 years now and I wouldn't do anything else. It mainly requires the discipline to show up and do the workout every day to succeed and make progress.

Thanks.

I'll do some digging.

Edit:

Yeah Thats a nice combo tot sure. Respect for keeping at of for so long.

I'll keep in mind man
Thanks for the response.

Great name btw. Coffee FTW

 

[22•22]

Nor did I say that you think there is one way for everybody.

Edit: Deadlifting socks for the win. They really helped.

Weird. Misread your sentence. My bad.

And hurray! For your socks!

Hey Raven117 .. Those socks, are they thicker then say regular sweatpants you reckon?

 

[Raven117]

Weird. Misread your sentence. My bad.

And hurray! For your socks!

Hey Raven117 .. Those socks, are they thicker then say regular sweatpants you reckon?

Not quite. More like if one put on two pairs of old school white gym socks kind of thickness, but only at the shin. Pulled yesterday, and no shin bash (my form is getting better) or blood!

Note, they are pretty tall, so may have to fold them down a bit at the knee if you are thinking they are for you.

 

[22•22]

Not quite. More like if one put on two pairs of old school white gym socks kind of thickness, but only at the shin. Pulled yesterday, and no shin bash (my form is getting better) or blood!

Note, they are pretty tall, so may have to fold them down a bit at the knee if you are thinking they are for you.

Thought as much but wanted your feedback. Sounds good.

I've always heard/learned to keep the bar in contact with your legs during the whole movement.

So to maximize lateral lift i scrape/keep contact the bar.

But I'm a man of extremes so there's that.

And this:

Side note my shins are always fucked up since skateboarding as a teen and bumping my shins on the regular lol. It's no surprise that without letting those "wounds" heal it'll keep bleeding.

Those socks aren't that costly. Maybe in time I'll check them out. My guards come from state side so I have to wait till the 7th.

Yay...

 

[Raven117]

Thought as much but wanted your feedback. Sounds good.

I've always heard/learned to keep the bar in contact with your legs during the whole movement.

So to maximize lateral lift i scrape/keep contact the bar.

But I'm a man of extremes so there's that.

And this:

Side note my shins are always fucked up since skateboarding as a teen and bumping my shins on the regular lol. It's no surprise that without letting those "wounds" heal it'll keep bleeding.

Those socks aren't that costly. Maybe in time I'll check them out. My guards come from state side so I have to wait till the 7th.

Yay...

My shins look the same. But yeah...one is supposed to stay very close if now scrape up the shin.

Shin bashing, for me, meant I was lifting with my back and not focusing on the initial quad activation. I have that sorted now.

 

[22•22]

My shins look the same. But yeah...one is supposed to stay very close if now scrape up the shin.

Shin bashing, for me, meant I was lifting with my back and not focusing on the initial quad activation. I have that sorted now.

But how do you bash your shin?

Anyways back in the day Kai Green was my mentor, parasocial but still. Therefore I'm very intune with mind muscle connection etc. But old habits can deteriorate over time, fair enough.



(Again, fundamentals not necessarily his program although the 5x5 does work for me in the last 3 weeks)

I used to do light weight and lots of reps. Really using the contraction to make the rep instead of swinging shit uncontrollably. I worked. But seeing I need to strengthen certain muscles now I have an other and new (for me) approach. Quite fun.

 

[Raven117]

But how do you bash your shin?

Anyways back in the day Kai Green was my mentor, parasocial but still. Therefore I'm very intune with mind muscle connection etc. But old habits can deteriorate over time, fair enough.



(Again, fundamentals not necessarily his program although the 5x5 does work for me in the last 3 weeks)

I used to do light weight and lots of reps. Really using the contraction to make the rep instead of swinging shit uncontrollably. I worked. But seeing I need to strengthen certain muscles now I have an other and new (for me) approach. Quite fun.

For me, it meant that I was trying to drive my hips forward before I was "leg pressing" off the floor. Accordingly, my shoulders would be somewhat "behind the bar" and I would pull into my shins.

Ripptoe is a good place to start, but his set up instructions don't work for me. He is a short squatty guy. I'm a tall lifter, and we just have to do different things to get the levers to work properly. He uses a set up (which I have seen many other use), by first putting the shins against the bar, then bending over to set the back. That doesn't work for me as Its hard to know where to set your hips. You can go a high set in this position, or a low. He keeps saying "hips high" in those videos, but I just ended up using my lower back. Just...kind of a mess.

I need to first hinge and the hips until I feel my hamstrings get tight, then, once that position (back) is set, push my shins forward to the bar (and maybe drop my hips a smidge). This sets my back in a much better position...one I can be confident in to start moving heavier weight. Once I figured this out....I started adding more weight to the bar pretty quick. I can feel "soreness" (the good kind), in my hamstrings, glutes, and quads...and not my lower back. So, Im doing this safely.

Squats...I can't use his set up either. For tall dudes, we have to use a wider stance...almost 1 1/2 shoulder width with toe flare to be able to get low enough. If not, we just topple over trying to keep the weight over mid-foot.

 

[22•22]

Yeah but I get you. But it's fine to deviate a bit according to your size, length, etc.

Do you stretch for mobility?

But hey like you said. Whatever works for you personally. I love learning/adjusting to get the "perfect" form so I'm good haha

 

[Raven117]

Yeah but I get you. But it's fine to deviate a bit according to your size, length, etc.

Do you stretch for mobility?

But hey like you said. Whatever works for you personally. I love learning/adjusting to get the "perfect" form so I'm good haha

Yup, as we have discussed (and putting it on this thread so other folks can see), ultimately, one needs to understand what the lift is designed to "workout", and perfect one's form to achieve those goals. For me, its taken me close to 2 months to really get a "workable" form for squats and deadlifts...even benchpress to an extent.

 

[22•22]

Yup, as we have discussed (and putting it on this thread so other folks can see), ultimately, one needs to understand what the lift is designed to "workout", and perfect one's form to achieve those goals. For me, its taken me close to 2 months to really get a "workable" form for squats and deadlifts...even benchpress to an extent.

Well that goes without saying. Like I said I started at 130+kg and FUCK it hate to post this but for reference

Spoiler

Took me some years as well..

Experimenting etc.

It's part of the process. And it took a good minute.

/Cringe

Edit do you stretch tho?

 

[JessieJim]

Wow, it's very impressive. Since I'm a girl, I usually don't work with big weights, I'm more interested in cardio workouts in the gym. Helps to lose weight. I either run on the treadmill or ride a bike, I ride it for about an hour. My record is 6 km, and I hope to ride 7.

 

[22•22]

Nice job! (And thanks!)

Doenst your butt starts hurting after 40 minutes or or so?

Then again no pain no gain haha.

I want to lose weight as well. Using a stairmaster or elliptical thingy. Mostly 40/60min.

 

[22•22]

During corona i bought a second hand Kettler stationary bike. After around 40 min my ass was crying haha.

Feb 7 can't come soon enough:

 

[Raven117]

That shows alot of work and dedication 22-22. Very impressive!

Woof! Bro. Yeah, you need something over those shins.

 

[22•22]

That shows alot of work and dedication 22-22. Very impressive!

Woof! Bro. Yeah, you need something over those shins.

Edit

Thanks man. I posted those in relation to your comment about finding out you own way. Not to show off in any way. Took quite a while (and some para social mentoring) but yeah. That transformation is still the highlight of my life =)

And yes. I do haha.

 

[Raven117]

Thanks man. I posted those in relation your comment about finding out you own way. Took quite a while (and some para social mentoring) but yeah. That transformation is still the highlight of my life =)

And yes. I do haha.

And to answer your question, yes, I stretch and do yoga. I really dig yoga.

 

[22•22]

And to answer your question, yes, I stretch and do yoga. I really dig yoga.

Haha I was like nah not going to ask a third time haha.

Nice man. I've done some yoga sessions.

It's another goal to get into it seriously.

 

[Raven117]

Haha I was like nah not going to ask a third time haha.

Nice man. I've done some yoga sessions.

It's another goal to get into it seriously.

Yoga is great. To me, its a "2-fer." Get some exercise and good stretching (which is super important as we get older...like I am), but also a bit of that meditation/mindfulness stuff.

I tend to prefer the "hot yoga" that is more active rather than super slow restorative yoga, but its all good stuff. Its a good use of an hour.