TheGreatDave
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ANY conference with a Mario Galaxy sequel wins by default. It's Mario fucking Galaxy.
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E3 2009 Nintendo Conference Thread
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Nintendo talked to much and was boring. They werent even excited about their own products. Cammie was dull as shit. MS put on a good show WHILE showing games. They got people excited.RyuKanSan said:
You cant just "show" games. You have to "present" them. Nintendo showed a bunch of games that people werent excited about to begin with and they made no real attempt to get people excited about them.
On stage demos were extremely limited as well.
And I say again... they TALKED to damn much.
pr0cs
Member
A lot better conference for them than last year.
But sadly I didn't see much in there for someone who doesn't already own a Wii, still little reason to buy one if you're not a big fan of their IPs.
At least they didn't have Wii Music 2 or something nearly as terrible as last year.
But sadly I didn't see much in there for someone who doesn't already own a Wii, still little reason to buy one if you're not a big fan of their IPs.
At least they didn't have Wii Music 2 or something nearly as terrible as last year.
Dreams-Visions
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so if MS had kept Forza 3 and other games secret, it would have been a better conference? surprises make that much of a difference for you?fortified_concept said:
ugh.
fortified_concept
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Chinner said:
:lol Fine, Nintendo conference 5/10
Afterall I'm rating conferences not consoles. And the Nintendo conference had the two announcements at the end that kinda made you forget how awful it was.
Gary Whitta
Member
I think this is important. So far the two conferences demonstrate that the status quo will remain largely unchanged for the immediate future. Nintendo's lead remains huge and the only potential game-changer Microsoft has (Natal) is still a long way off. Both put out very solid presentations, so nothing that will order the great order of things.Model 500 said:
Unless Sony unleashes something that changes everything. Which they won't.
SimpleDesign
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2-3 games? I guess you didn't actually watch it.Teknoman said:
You guys are fucking nuts and also a bunch of whiners.
What matters is the games. I can't care less if the conference was good or not of if there was casual stuff or not.
All I care is that this Nintendo conference told me about like 5 titles I want to buy. Nintendo DID deliver and the bar is high now with both Microsoft and Nintendo.
Sony, fasten your seatbelt! You better impress me at least equally!!
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What matters is the games. I can't care less if the conference was good or not of if there was casual stuff or not.
All I care is that this Nintendo conference told me about like 5 titles I want to buy. Nintendo DID deliver and the bar is high now with both Microsoft and Nintendo.
Sony, fasten your seatbelt! You better impress me at least equally!!
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Jamesfrom818
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Branduil said:
Has a new basketball game been announced? Someone could just start a thread about it and we'd have a temporary home.
-WindYoshi-
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FOOLS!
The vitality sensor is an awesome idea! A little WTF and laughable at first, but a good idea.
The vitality sensor is an awesome idea! A little WTF and laughable at first, but a good idea.
Crackdown 2 > This entire conference tbqh (To be expected)
Still, it got progressively better. I think they would've really done better if they showed SMB Wii right before SMG2
If they went from SMB Wii -> SMG 2 -> M.O.M
It would've been pretty damn nice.
6/10, Microsoft with a solid 8/10.
I think Microsoft had a very solid game show going on, along with great demos. Splinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake, (CRACKDOWN 2), L4D2, and other stuff was great, the Beatles intro was bad and too drawn out, and the Xbox Live+Other Shit integration was nice and well presented. The whole Natal thing was a little bit more weird and "
" than amazing.
At this point, I think Sony will either be the worst or the best.
Still, it got progressively better. I think they would've really done better if they showed SMB Wii right before SMG2
If they went from SMB Wii -> SMG 2 -> M.O.M
It would've been pretty damn nice.
6/10, Microsoft with a solid 8/10.
I think Microsoft had a very solid game show going on, along with great demos. Splinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake, (CRACKDOWN 2), L4D2, and other stuff was great, the Beatles intro was bad and too drawn out, and the Xbox Live+Other Shit integration was nice and well presented. The whole Natal thing was a little bit more weird and "
" than amazing. At this point, I think Sony will either be the worst or the best.
TheKingsCrown
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MS 8/10
Nintendo 8/10
Nintendo's was not terrible. They gave plenty of reasons to play Wii.
Nintendo 8/10
Nintendo's was not terrible. They gave plenty of reasons to play Wii.
After stepping back and calming down from my Metroid-high, I'd have to give the conference a B.
I simply do not comprehend how people can think this is the worst conference out of 2009, let alone the worst conference ever. Ubisoft's conference already stole that title single-handedly, and the fact that there was no awkward Wii Music/Ravi Drums demos pretty much sealed that deal. It's not quite to the level of Microsoft's conference overall, but it definitely had bigger surprises than Microsoft's (MGS: Rising was a little bit of a botched opportunity, considering there was no real footage to show).
There were some really low low-points (Vitality device, most things that came out of Cammie's mouth, facebook), and some really high high-points (Metroid: Other M, Galaxy 2, Golden Sun DS). I was not that sold on Dead Space or The Conduit, but Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles, like most of the RE series at this point, is a guilty pleasure.
Yeah, they're not new IPs, but seriously. If the game is good, who gives a fuck if it's a new IP or a 20 year old franchise?
In essence, it shows that Nintendo is not that far gone from the gaming audience. The conference was quite solid, admittedly cutting things a little bit too close for comfort (The conference would have been very, very bad if they decided to end at the Vitality device).
I simply do not comprehend how people can think this is the worst conference out of 2009, let alone the worst conference ever. Ubisoft's conference already stole that title single-handedly, and the fact that there was no awkward Wii Music/Ravi Drums demos pretty much sealed that deal. It's not quite to the level of Microsoft's conference overall, but it definitely had bigger surprises than Microsoft's (MGS: Rising was a little bit of a botched opportunity, considering there was no real footage to show).
There were some really low low-points (Vitality device, most things that came out of Cammie's mouth, facebook), and some really high high-points (Metroid: Other M, Galaxy 2, Golden Sun DS). I was not that sold on Dead Space or The Conduit, but Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles, like most of the RE series at this point, is a guilty pleasure.
Yeah, they're not new IPs, but seriously. If the game is good, who gives a fuck if it's a new IP or a 20 year old franchise?
In essence, it shows that Nintendo is not that far gone from the gaming audience. The conference was quite solid, admittedly cutting things a little bit too close for comfort (The conference would have been very, very bad if they decided to end at the Vitality device).
Eteric Rice
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fortified_concept said:
I can kind of agree with this. The reason I'd put them close is because Microsoft also showed a bunch of stuff we already knew about, they had a guy that pretty much looked like a pedophile demo their motion camera, had Steven Spielberg come out and say... Nothing really. Not to mention the Twitter and Facebook shit.
Microsoft's was a lot more flashy, so it's flaws were harder to spot.
With Nintendo, there was no real flash, and a lot of the mistakes they made last time poped up again. Luckily, they showed some solid third party games this time, as well as solid looking first party stuff at the end.
So yeah, I think I agree with your score.
Reading this thread from beginning to end is fucking hilarious.
2D console multiplayer mario that looks FUN to play.
Golden Sun DS
Vitality Sensor (I could see this having interesting gaming applications)
Galaxy 2
Metroid Gaiden
Many of which a GAFer would give a left nut for.
What do people remember from conferences from years past? Surprises. Moments of Hilarity and foot-in-mouth quotes. We got the former from Nintendo today and the latter from Ubi and Microsoft (BAM!). Microsoft's conference was the more consistent one, but I would argue people will remember the moment when the shocking Metroid reveal brought down the forum.
2D console multiplayer mario that looks FUN to play.
Golden Sun DS
Vitality Sensor (I could see this having interesting gaming applications)
Galaxy 2
Metroid Gaiden
Many of which a GAFer would give a left nut for.
What do people remember from conferences from years past? Surprises. Moments of Hilarity and foot-in-mouth quotes. We got the former from Nintendo today and the latter from Ubi and Microsoft (BAM!). Microsoft's conference was the more consistent one, but I would argue people will remember the moment when the shocking Metroid reveal brought down the forum.
fortified_concept
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Dreams-Visions said:
Surprises are fun in conferences, you gotta admit it.
Nuclear Muffin
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Mario Galaxy 2 was the biggest disappointment of the conference for me. The original game was perfect, it didn't need a sequel at all.
What a complete waste of dev talent, EAD Tokyo should be working on a new IP (Or at least a different one from the one they just bloddy worked on!!!)
What a complete waste of dev talent, EAD Tokyo should be working on a new IP (Or at least a different one from the one they just bloddy worked on!!!)
traveler said:
Agree 100%
No matter what they do they will not please the people raving about all the stuff MS showed. They hit a good balance of stuff, and unless you are jaded to the core you probably saw something there you want to play.
I think Microsoft treating their press conference as the sort of preview show I would expect on G4 has a lot to do with internet reactions to Nintendo's actual press conference.
Rated-Rsuperstar
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TheKingsCrown said:
Fixed.
Jinfash
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I just want to iterate again that I think the conference was WAY better than I thought it would be. Just announcing new games that I WANT TO BUY! is very surprising.
And AGAIN, Ravi wasn't there! so that's an extra point.
All in all, I love this e3. I hope Sony can at LEAST maintain the same level of quality and focus.
And AGAIN, Ravi wasn't there! so that's an extra point.
All in all, I love this e3. I hope Sony can at LEAST maintain the same level of quality and focus.
I think this conference wasn't that good. It was boring and the monotone feel of it made it seem like the conference was dragging on.
One thing I got from this was that their "core" Wii 3rd party games must be dry. The games they had to show us were games we already knew about. Nothing special and nothing new, which kind of drives home the point that the Wii library is practically barren when it comes to those kinds of games. Other consoles have these kinds of games in spades and all Nintendo could show as The Conduit, Dead Space Extraction, and Resident Evil: Lightgun edition 2. So so sad.
Metroid looks interesting, but I haven't had much luck with Team Ninja's games. They're pretty, but I haven't been a fan of the gameplay. I have a feeling Sony is gonna knock this one out of the park.
One thing I got from this was that their "core" Wii 3rd party games must be dry. The games they had to show us were games we already knew about. Nothing special and nothing new, which kind of drives home the point that the Wii library is practically barren when it comes to those kinds of games. Other consoles have these kinds of games in spades and all Nintendo could show as The Conduit, Dead Space Extraction, and Resident Evil: Lightgun edition 2. So so sad.
Metroid looks interesting, but I haven't had much luck with Team Ninja's games. They're pretty, but I haven't been a fan of the gameplay. I have a feeling Sony is gonna knock this one out of the park.
DevelopmentArrested
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Black_Ice said:
A 1 minute Teaser Trailer of no gameplay for a sequel to an 8/10 game is better than Super Mario Galaxy 2, New Super Mario Bros Wii, Golden Sun DS and a new Metroid? :lol
Like the hat?
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since we're all doing it, i would give MS a C and nintendo a B (would have been an A with Zelda)
I am predicting an A for Sony (providing they show Trico)
(for the record, I play my 360 more than my wii and ps3 combined. I just don't care about Alan Wake or Natal or the bottom of an avatar's shoe or splinter cell. If they would have shown Fallout New vegas I would have given them an A+++++ 5 STARS ZOMG)
I am predicting an A for Sony (providing they show Trico)
(for the record, I play my 360 more than my wii and ps3 combined. I just don't care about Alan Wake or Natal or the bottom of an avatar's shoe or splinter cell. If they would have shown Fallout New vegas I would have given them an A+++++ 5 STARS ZOMG)
Spotless Mind
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They used the conference as a place to pander to all demographics and chose to highlight games GAF couldn't give a shit about. Huge surprise there... :lol Still, i don't get why they wouldn't show off some games that need a higher profile like Sin and Punishment 2. It's like they don't even try to get its name out there.
OK, I figure I'll summarize my thoughts.
Overall, the conference had some truly dull and boring moments. unlike the MS presser, which kept those to a minimum, this one had longer stretches of boring shit. And, even when showing cool shit, their presentation is a little slow and heavy handed.
Luckily, Nintendo also had some pretty cool games to show off.
So, first of all, I was not down on the Wii Fit and Wii Motion plus stuff as most of you were. I thought the wii sports resort stuff looked like a lot of fun. especially the archery and skydiving.
And the more "gamey" aspects of Wii Fit Plus like the log jumping and Mario type movement also looked cool. I was not disappointed in that.
I thought NSMB Wii was a disappointment, though, nothing about the 4 player stuff looked good and I need to see more than a retooled Mario 1-1 to be excited about the level design.
I don't think anyone can fault them for paying attention to the casual market. and, let's be honest: Women's Murder Club is a tweaked version of Hotel Dusk and GAF shot loads over that game.
The big guns were the new metroid and Mario Galaxy games. those two looked slick as hell and I think that's pretty much what most core Wii owners would have expected. well done to Nintendo for ending on those two and not Wii Music bullshit.
but, speaking of bullshit... The vitality monitor is exactly that. I'm sorry, but for a sysetm that has spent so much effort getting you to move about and swing your arms, he "relaxing" vitality meter seems like a counter intuitive side step and I think it's a rare bad move for Nintendo. and not or the core, for the casuals.
So, to give a rating, I give it a straight B. (before the last two big reveals, it would have been a C)
Miscrosoft still gets the flat A.
Overall, the conference had some truly dull and boring moments. unlike the MS presser, which kept those to a minimum, this one had longer stretches of boring shit. And, even when showing cool shit, their presentation is a little slow and heavy handed.
Luckily, Nintendo also had some pretty cool games to show off.
So, first of all, I was not down on the Wii Fit and Wii Motion plus stuff as most of you were. I thought the wii sports resort stuff looked like a lot of fun. especially the archery and skydiving.
And the more "gamey" aspects of Wii Fit Plus like the log jumping and Mario type movement also looked cool. I was not disappointed in that.
I thought NSMB Wii was a disappointment, though, nothing about the 4 player stuff looked good and I need to see more than a retooled Mario 1-1 to be excited about the level design.
I don't think anyone can fault them for paying attention to the casual market. and, let's be honest: Women's Murder Club is a tweaked version of Hotel Dusk and GAF shot loads over that game.
The big guns were the new metroid and Mario Galaxy games. those two looked slick as hell and I think that's pretty much what most core Wii owners would have expected. well done to Nintendo for ending on those two and not Wii Music bullshit.
but, speaking of bullshit... The vitality monitor is exactly that. I'm sorry, but for a sysetm that has spent so much effort getting you to move about and swing your arms, he "relaxing" vitality meter seems like a counter intuitive side step and I think it's a rare bad move for Nintendo. and not or the core, for the casuals.
So, to give a rating, I give it a straight B. (before the last two big reveals, it would have been a C)
Miscrosoft still gets the flat A.
Dreams-Visions
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I can't even comprehend how people can objectively think otherwise..GqueB. said:
MvmntInGrn
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While I love SMG I think some people go overboard with it. :lol
sevenchaos
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Not trying to create false hope but...
I wonder if Miyamoto not being there today is due to at least one more game announcement at his round table today. Maybe that's where he'll show Pikmin..
I wonder if Miyamoto not being there today is due to at least one more game announcement at his round table today. Maybe that's where he'll show Pikmin..
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
The lack of Sin and Punishment 2 makes me worried that Nintendo of America won't advertise the game at all.
MisterHero
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You never go overboard with Game of the Forever Part 2MvmntInGrn said:
Gary Whitta
Member
I'm fucking excited for it. And Nintendo also just announced the sequel to what is undoubtedly my favorite game of the modern era... GALAXY 2!dwin45 said:
I swear if I was a game developer five minutes on this forum would be enough to make me want to give up and go work in a shoe store or something... I've never encountered a harder-to-impress band of mother fuckers :lol
Tim the Wiz
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Out of the new stuff: SMB Wii leaves me unconvinced, Golden Sun DS is overdue but still awesome, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is the biggest release of 2010 for me now (edging out Mass Effect 2), and Team Ninja's Metroid was a pleasant shock that could end up going either way really.
Two questions: Where was Retro? What will Miyamoto announce at his press event later today? (Pikmin 3... believe)
Two questions: Where was Retro? What will Miyamoto announce at his press event later today? (Pikmin 3... believe)