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[idlewild_]

It is a lot. Given they have that alternative business model test store though, I'm wondering if they're intending on dumping those and going with annual expacs plus microtransactions.

One year is extremely short for an expansion. You see a lot of complaints when major patches come out less than 6 months apart because it does not give the majority of the player base enough time to actually clear the content. There would be huge backlash if an expansion only has a single major patch and only 2 PvP seasons (average season length is ~24 weeks.)

I think most of the user base would prefer expansions every ~18 months and for them to stop having the last major content patch as current content for ~ 1 year as they have been doing since WotLK.

 

[RalchAC]

It is a lot. Given they have that alternative business model test store though, I'm wondering if they're intending on dumping those and going with annual expacs plus microtransactions.

Here are their stated intentions though:

They could get me back if they did that "no monthly fee" thing. I would casually play the game if it didn't have a monthly fee.

But I don't know if that model will make more sense economically speaking that their actual subscription fee. I wish we had China excluded WoW numbers, since they have a different business model there. Without that information, it's quite hard to know the amount of "10

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-15

per month" subscribers they currently have.

I didn't know exactly what it was, but I've found on the Internet that in that country instead of a monthly fee they have some kind of pay-per-hour thing. I've been trying to find for some 100% reliable info but I've just found a Wikipedia article which leads to a death link and a comment in GameSpot forums.

 

[jj984jj]

Given this suggests 100K digital sales in Japan and how it did at retail in other regions, I think ~50% of this game's 700K might have been digital sales.

Media Create put retail numbers close to 300k so it's probably less:

00./00. [PSV] Persona 4: Golden <RPG> (Atlus) {2012.06.14} (¥7.329) - * / 294.000

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=835547

I wonder what the best selling digital Vita games would be.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Second week drop for MH clones on Vita:

Toukiden - 37.340 / 165.084 (-71%)
Soul Sacrifice - 26.561 / 132.424 (-75%)
Freedom Wars - 42.571 / 230.461 (-77%)
Sword Art Online - 26.852 / 163.588 (-80%)
God Eater 2 - 37.451 / 296.277 (-86%) lol

 

[RalchAC]

Because it was for a long time THE Vita game to get? I see Vita games drop in price (usually down 75%) very quickly here, but P4G was seemingly always full price and is right now down 25%.

You say it as if it wasn't THE Vita game to get anymore. Having more must haves on the platforms doesn't make Persona 4 Golden less awesome.

Second week drop for MH clones on Vita: <- (&#9583;°&#1044;°&#65289;&#9583;&#65077; /(.&#9633; . \)

Toukiden - 37.340 / 165.084 (-71%)
Soul Sacrifice - 26.561 / 132.424 (-75%)
Freedom Wars - 42.571 / 230.461 (-77%)
Sword Art Online - 26.852 / 163.588 (-80%)
God Eater 2 - 37.451 / 296.277 (-86%)

You had to calll it this way?

And even if you had... Did you had to include SAO there?

 

[ohlawd]

Second week drop for MH clones on Vita:

Toukiden - 37.340 / 165.084 (-71%)
Soul Sacrifice - 26.561 / 132.424 (-75%)
Freedom Wars - 42.571 / 230.461 (-77%)
Sword Art Online - 26.852 / 163.588 (-80%)
God Eater 2 - 37.451 / 296.277 (-86%) lol

all dem MH clones and none have 1/10th the finesse MH possesses.

srsly tho call me when one of these jank series can replicate the err meh gawd evade lancing I expertfully employ

 

[BlowoverKing]

Media Create put retail numbers close to 300k so it's probably less:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=835547

I wonder what the best selling digital Vita games would be.

According to Sony, Dragon's Crown and God Eater 2 were the top two downloaded Vita games for 2013.

http://ps4vitanews.blogspot.com/2013/12/sony-released-rankings-for-2013-online.html

So I'd imagine those two give P4G a run for it's money.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

all dem MH clones and none have 1/10th the finesse MH possesses.

srsly tho call me when one of these jank series can replicate the err meh gawd evade lancing I expertfully employ

According to Sony, Dragon's Crown and God Eater 2 were the top two downloaded Vita games for 2013.

http://ps4vitanews.blogspot.com/2013/12/sony-released-rankings-for-2013-online.html

So I'd imagine those two give P4G a run for it's money.

PSV also is the console which usually has the highest download rates.

 

[Infinite Xero]

Second week drop for MH clones on Vita:

Toukiden - 37.340 / 165.084 (-71%)
Soul Sacrifice - 26.561 / 132.424 (-75%)
Freedom Wars - 42.571 / 230.461 (-77%)
Sword Art Online - 26.852 / 163.588 (-80%)
God Eater 2 - 37.451 / 296.277 (-86%) lol

Could you add the sold-through percent for those weeks as well?

 

[ohlawd]

PSV also is the console which usually has the highest download rates.

I mean gameplay-wise

 

[Moor-Angol]

And even if you had... Did you had to include SAO there?

every game is a MH clone on Vita, didn't you know ?

 

[Jamix012]

PSV also is the console which usually has the highest download rates.

In Japan? I'm not analysing the download data under a fine tooth comb or anything, but the numbers we've got haven't suggested a huge amount of downloads on the Vita, I thought.

 

[ohlawd]

every game is a MH clone on Vita, didn't you know ?

MH clone rolls off the tongue better than hunting action

or whatever the hell anyone tries to name the genre

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

In Japan? I'm not analysing the download data under a fine tooth comb or anything, but the numbers we've got haven't suggested a huge amount of downloads on the Vita, I thought.

DD on consoles aren't huge period but Vita's is the highest (that's not saying much though). 3DS has higher digital sales for a individual game (whenever a big game is sold out at retail, like mh4 for example).

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I mean gameplay-wise

I don't know why your post is quoted but not replying to whatever that post was.

In Japan? I'm not analysing the download data under a fine tooth comb or anything, but the numbers we've got haven't suggested a huge amount of downloads on the Vita, I thought.

Highest ratios.

 

[ohlawd]

I don't know why your post is quoted but not replying to whatever that post was.

nah you were gonna make a separate reply but decided not to :3

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

nah you were gonna make a separate reply but decided not to :3

Quite possibly, but the football took me away. Glad I didn't though.

 

[jj984jj]

DD on consoles aren't huge period but Vita's is the highest (that's not saying much though). 3DS has higher digital sales for a individual game (whenever a big game is sold out at retail, like mh4 for example).

I wish Famitsu had more to give us than this, and started tracking digital sales sooner. Then what is said about digital sales wouldn't have to be so speculative.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I've seen a few reports of people lining up for Youkai Watch but no pics so far.

Do people even line up for Thursday releases?

 

[hiska-kun]

Sorry, that's the only thing i can do now. Around 10 people were lining 30 minutes before the shop's opening in front Bic Camera in Ikebukuro.
The shop opens today at 9:00 (usually at 10:00)

 

[squall23]

Reposting:


Youkai Watch 2 could be in this!

Wait, a YGOM game once sold 1 million+ first week? Wow, I guess I was right thinking it was a Big 3 back then.

EDIT: Ahh, I see the 4th game has 3 versions and it's right at the Battle City arc. No wonder it was huge.

 

[ATXAlchemy]

MH clone rolls off the tongue better than hunting action

or whatever the hell anyone tries to name the genre

Then by that, MH itself should be called an MH clone, because Capcom themselves have called its genre as hunting action.

 

[Road]

Can't find any pics of lines, except for hiska-kun's... =|

Second week drop for MH clones on Vita:

Toukiden - 37.340 / 165.084 (-71%)
Soul Sacrifice - 26.561 / 132.424 (-75%)
Freedom Wars - 42.571 / 230.461 (-77%)
Sword Art Online - 26.852 / 163.588 (-80%)
God Eater 2 - 37.451 / 296.277 (-86%) lol

You forgot other MH clones:

Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD Remaster Twin Pack - 35,481 / 170,126 (-74%)
Dragon's Crown - 10,525 / 86,031 (-86%)
The Legend of Heroes: Sen no Kiseki - 9,864 / 103,538 (-89%)

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23./00. [PS4] Akiba's Trip: Undead & Undressed <ADV> (Acquire) {2014.07.03} (¥5.980) - 2.889 / NEW <20-40%>

The performances of these PS4 late ports is about as exciting as the Wii U's late ports.

 

[Takao]

Wait, a YGOM game once sold 1 million+ first week? Wow, I guess I was right thinking it was a Big 3 back then.

EDIT: Ahh, I see the 4th game has 3 versions and it's right at the Battle City arc. No wonder it was huge.

Yu-Gi-Oh! games were a big thing back on GB:

PS1 : Yu-Gi-Oh! Capsule Monster Breed & Battle ( Konami ) { 1998-07-23 } - 80,259 / 255,490
NGB : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters ( Konami ) { 1998-12-17 } - 683,948 / 1,522,971
NGB : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters II ( Konami ) { 1999-07-08 } - 401,533 / 984,862
PS1 : Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories ( Konami ) { 1999-12-09 } - 183,295 / 453,034
NGB : Yu-Gi-Oh! Capture Monster GB ( Konami ) { 2000-04-13 } - 36,220 / 129,095
NGB : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters III ( Konami ) { 2000-07-13 } - 327,686 / 726,519
PS1 : Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories [Konami the Best] ( Konami ) { 2000-07-13 } - 5,014 / 57,770
NGB : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters IV ( Konami ) { 2000-12-07 } - 1,228,599 / 2,210,163
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Dungeon Dice Monsters ( Konami ) { 2001-03-21 } - 61,325 / 145,354
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters 5: Expert 1 ( Konami ) { 2001-07-05 } - 221,654 / 410,534
PS2 : Yu-Gi-Oh! The Duelists of the Roses ( Konami ) { 2001-09-06 } - 39,730 / 76,248
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters 6: Expert 2 ( Konami ) { 2001-12-20 } - 139,947 / 264,056
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters 7: The Sacred Cards ( Konami ) { 2002-07-04 } - 128,343 / 238,112
NGC : Yu-Gi-Oh! The Falsebound Kingdom ( Konami ) { 2002-12-05 } - 13,312 / 35,463
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters 8: Hametsu no Daijashin ( Konami ) { 2003-03-20 } - 53,944 / 118,122
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: International ( Konami ) { 2003-04-17 } - 21,300 / 58,798
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: Expert 3 ( Konami ) { 2004-02-05 } - 29,929 / 73,870
PS2 : Yu-Gi-Oh! Capsule Monster Colosseum ( Konami ) { 2004-07-29 } - 8,166 / 17,080
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: International 2 ( Konami ) { 2004-12-30 } - 30,791 / 67,205
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: Beginner's Pack 2005 ( Konami ) { 2005-04-28 } - - / 21,561
NDS : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: Nightmare Troubadour ( Konami ) { 2005-07-21 } - 39,016 / 102,249
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX ( Konami ) { 2005-10-13 } - 37,483 / 89,862
GBA : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters: World Championship 2006 ( Konami ) { 2006-02-23 } - 22,186 / 71,644
PSP : Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters GX: Tag Force ( Konami ) { 2006-09-14 } - 20,491 / 47,761

Now Konami barely makes them.

 

[sörine]

DD on consoles aren't huge period but Vita's is the highest (that's not saying much though). 3DS has higher digital sales for a individual game (whenever a big game is sold out at retail, like mh4 for example).

Vita tends to be slightly higher proportionately but they're both in the same ballpark and 3DS tends to lead in raw numbers due to the big games as you mentioned.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Given some rough calculations based on last year for the 3DS....

Week 1-52 2013/ Week 1-27 2013 * Week 1-27 2014 ~= Week 1-52 2014
4,931,509 / 1,995,388 * 1,106,722 = LTD of 17.429m by the end of 2014, ~2.735m on the year

Think that could happen? The 3DS does have Youkai Watch 2, Pokemon R/S remakes, MH4U & Smash Bros. 3DS on the horizon as its biggest titles.


Also, hiska's YW2 pic actually looks fairly tame for something some folks are expecting to sell 500K - 1m first week.

 

[1st Course]

Gumi Said to Plan Japan IPO at $1 Billion Valuation

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-09/gumi-said-to-plan-japan-ipo-at-1-billion-valuation.html

Brave Frontier publisher want to go public.

 

[Road]

http://mantan-web.jp/2014/07/10/20140709dog00m200059000c.html

505,000 copies sold of Youkai Watch...






...strategy guide.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

nintendo pls

 

[hiska-kun]

Also, hiska's YW2 pic actually looks fairly tame for something some folks are expecting to sell 500K - 1m first week.

Today is thursday. People have work and school, and big releases are on saturdays.
Also, usually big lines are in Akihabara and Shinjuku, not in Ikebukuro.

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

Wii U outselling the PS4...only in Japan!

Wish the whole world was like that too.

 

[ohlawd]

Then by that, MH itself should be called an MH clone, because Capcom themselves have called its genre as hunting action.

Capcom being all humble

 

[Smiles and Cries]

so in YW2 you can play as the girl?

I was watching the first 45mins video on Youtube and it seems there is a character select screen at the beginning

 

[L Thammy]

Wait now that I look at it......a Persona spin off on the Vita has somehow managed to become the second best selling Persona game in the series in Japan.

Actually, Persona 3 for PSP had a very similar performance to the PS2 release as well.

Which reminds me. When we're considering whether Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate can live up to 4, we should probably also factor in the games' nature as a social phenomena.

You had to calll it this way?

Then by that, MH itself should be called an MH clone, because Capcom themselves have called its genre as hunting action.

I'm going to go back to calling FPSes using "Doom clones". Just for you guys.

"Hunting action" is the most convenient name because it avoids stepping on toes, but Japanese companies love making bullshit genre names, so using the given genre name isn't always a great idea. Unless you want to start using terms like "survival panic" or "RPG of Passion Lighting the World".

 

[Smiles and Cries]

nintendo pls

yes I agree with you 100%
you are correct nintendo should buy level5

 

[random25]

nintendo pls

I want that white 3DS XL. Looks neat.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Today is thursday. People have work and school, and big releases are on saturdays.
Also, usually big lines are in Akihabara and Shinjuku, not in Ikebukuro.

Ah, that does make sense actually. I guess we'll see a mad rush starting Friday and going through the weekend then =).

 

[Tripon]

Dave Gibson shared this yesterday.

.@serkantoto @BenjaminCousins @Kotaku PS4 low impact in Japan?.. Japan mobile games spending passed packaged in 2011

https://twitter.com/gibbogame/status/486679971625046016

 

[sörine]

Mobile passed it but packaged sales seem remarkably consistent according to Gibson. Unlike the west maybe in Japan the sharp mobile uptake isn't cannibalizing consoles quite so much?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

is that shop selling the fans as well?

how hot is Japan? is it like Dallas and Houston hot?

Dallas was probably the hottest place I've ever been

 

[TaiKH92]

Ugh the Wii U already below 10K :/

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Ugh the Wii U already below 10K :/

and nothing to save it for the rest of the month

 

[Ty4on]

You say it as if it wasn't THE Vita game to get anymore. Having more must haves on the platforms doesn't make Persona 4 Golden less awesome.

It has just dropped a bit. Felt like it was all over NeoGAF when I got my Vita one year ago.
Anecdotal data, but it's still almost twice the price as much newer Vita games like Killzone and Tearaway where I live.

 

[StreetsAhead]

http://mantan-web.jp/2014/07/10/20140709dog00m200059000c.html

505,000 copies sold of Youkai Watch...

...strategy guide.

I bought 2!

is that shop selling the fans as well?

how hot is Japan? is it like Dallas and Houston hot?

Dallas was probably the hottest place I've ever been

The net tells me it's under 30 Celsius, but it's really humid right now. Not as hot as Dallas, I don't think. Dallas was the hottest place I've ever been to, too.
Also, I think you could play as the girl in YW1, too.

EDIT: Yep http://www.youkai-watch.jp/yw/game/game06.html

 

[hiska-kun]

Currently 28 degrees in Tokyo according to my phone.

 

[Moor-Angol]

Yodobashi Shinjuku has not enough games in stock, they only give to people who made reservation before end of May

Sofmap is selling just one copy for each person

It's Youkai madness in Japan!!!!!!!!!

After I come back home i'll post pictures

 

[BriBri]

After I come back home i'll post pictures

You rock!

 

[zeromcd73]

Yodobashi Shinjuku has not enough games in stock, they only give to people who made reservation before end of May

Sofmap is selling just one copy for each person

It's Youkai madness in Japan!!!!!!!!!

After I come back home i'll post pictures

Yes!!!!

 

[hiska-kun]

Yodobashi Shinjuku has not enough games in stock, they only give to people who made reservation before end of May

Sofmap is selling just one copy for each person

It's Youkai madness in Japan!!!!!!!!!

After I come back home i'll post pictures

Thanks. I couldn't do my job this time.

 

[extralite]

so in YW2 you can play as the girl?

I was watching the first 45mins video on Youtube and it seems there is a character select screen at the beginning

You could do that in the first one already.