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Media Create Sales: Week 22, 2014 (May 26 - Jun 01)
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Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I wouldn't say hate, more like... moved on to greener pastures.Poor Wii Uhopefully at least the baseline increases but damn Japan hates consoles
Elor_Nocudee
Member
you are correct, only problem is those games are still far off. when is the next big PS4 exclusive game dropping anyway? (japan centric, 1st or 3rd party)
no one knows
MC decided not to count the Wii U bundles specifically for some reason.
LegendofLex
Member
Maybe. With "80-100%" sell-through, it's quite possible there just aren't enough copies on shelves in some major channels to move a lot of consoles while selling to the starving existing user base.
Where's my Advance Wars?!
If you had the resources to create a gaming device for Japan, handheld or console, what would you decide upon?
If you had the resources to create a gaming device for Japan, handheld or console, what would you decide upon?
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Is there anything in the horizon in Japan for PS4? Those are some pretty bad numbers and it may be that way for quite a while.
shinra-bansho
Member
Neither.
Hoo boy. On one hand, mobile devices of all types are clearly more popular. On the other hand, I think that arena is more competitive -- there are more serious competitors (Android, iOS, 3DS, Vita) and those competitors are generally smarter and better run with more cache. You could probably convince me that there is an underserved market for a console-like device that could somehow also be portable; as in, not a traditional console, but still a console in the sense that it can be hooked up to a TV. This could even be a tablet that can attach to a dock, for example; by the time such a device released in 2017+, it could easily be as powerful as a PS4.
Or maybe it would look like nothing I've ever imagined. In short: I think the home console market is ripe for huge market disruption in a way that mobile really isn't right now. Mobile is the safer bet, though.
Hopefully the baseline for the Wii U stays above 9k this time around. Although I think another factor is that deluxe Wii Us (not bundled) are still $360 in Japan (at least from Amazon.co.jp). We probably could have hit the 40k guesses some people made had the console been $100 cheaper. I still think they have a serious pricing issue to address. Anybody know if this is the longest time any piece of Nintendo hardware has been above $250?
SwiftDeath
Member
Watch Dogs in June. Maybe TLOU and Destiny later?
Nintendo has never had hardware above $250 before the Wii U as far as I know. The NES-Gamecube all launched at $200 and the Wii launched at $250. The 3DS was $250 at launch too right?
If I was still a game journalist I'd be jumping all over this story. Have there been many articles or videos about the sudden death of home consoles in Japan? The repercussions of this, and the growing discrepancy between Japan and other gaming markets should result in dramatic changes for Sony and Nintendo moving forward.
We assume some of the reasons are the secondhand market, mobile games, and an aging population, but it'd be nice to have some in-depth analysis and surveys to give us concrete data. I imagine if something similarly dramatic happened in the movie industry there would be plenty of attention given.
We assume some of the reasons are the secondhand market, mobile games, and an aging population, but it'd be nice to have some in-depth analysis and surveys to give us concrete data. I imagine if something similarly dramatic happened in the movie industry there would be plenty of attention given.
Dr. Serkan Toto does an excellent, excellent blog that deals with this subject a lot. The most relevant article would be this one.
I recommend all the rest on this site too, extremely good information, and he is well-respected academic on this field.
I'd use that money to buy Apple shares.
The important distinction here is that the movie industry should be equated to the video game industry, and the video game industry in Japan appears to be fine.
Home consoles are not so fine, but that isn't in itself a huge problem. It's still newsworthy, but not to the same degree. Drawing the parallels, the death of the movie industry would be hugely newsworthy, but the migration of users from DVD to digital, or the decline of the horror genre and rise of the sci fi genre (or whatever) are less so.
Shinra, pls. Any device. Doesn't have to be a console or handheld.
Cheers for the response. Maybe Nintendo can eloborate on the idea behind the WiiU and Gamepad...
You hit the nail on the head. Gaming in Japan is GROWING, as this chart shows, it is just that the growth is coming from mobile:
prag16
Banned
Yeah, that indicates to me that both software and hardware could have a reasonably strong hold next week, since it looks like MK8 was to some degree supply constrained.
How long have we been at this? Greater than 80% sell through generally means there weren't "plenty available" all over the place. You're not likely to ever see every single copy of something sell out throughout a territory, so the 80-100% designation typically indicates a near-sellout.
1st Course
Member
http://www.gamegyokai.com/column/price-down.htm
Nintendo's systems Japanese launch prices + price cuts
*The original Famicom itself never received an official price cut in Japan. However, Nintendo released a brand new model (HVC-10) in in Japan on December 1, 1993 for ¥6800.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_(Model_NES-101))
Nintendo's systems Japanese launch prices + price cuts
Code:
+-----------------------+--------------+---------------+----------------------+-----------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| System | Release Date | Initial price | First price cut date | Price after first price cut | 2nd price cut date | Price after 2nd price cut | 3rd price cut date | Price after 3rd price cut |
+-----------------------+--------------+---------------+----------------------+-----------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+
| Famicom | 7/15/1983 | ¥ 14,800 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Game Boy | 4/21/1989 | ¥ 12,500 | 5/1/1994 | ¥ 8,000 | 11/14/1998 | ¥ 3,800 | - | - |
| └ Game Boy Pocket | 7/21/1996 | ¥ 6,800 | 2/14/1998 | ¥ 5,800 | - | - | - | - |
| Super Famicom | 11/21/1990 | ¥ 25,000 | 8/14/1996 | ¥ 9,800 | - | - | - | - |
| Nintendo 64 | 6/23/1996 | ¥ 25,000 | 3/14/1997 | ¥ 16,800 | 7/1/1998 | ¥ 14,000 | - | - |
| Game Boy Color | 10/21/1998 | ¥ 8,900 | 5/23/1999 | ¥ 6,800 | - | - | - | - |
| Game Boy Advance | 3/21/2001 | ¥ 9,800 | 2/1/2002 | ¥ 8,800 | - | - | - | - |
| └ Game Boy Advance SP | 2/14/2003 | ¥ 12,500 | 9/16/2004 | ¥ 9,800 | - | - | - | - |
| GameCube | 9/14/2001 | ¥ 25,000 | 6/3/2002 | ¥ 19,800 | 10/17/2003 | ¥ 14,000 | 17-Oct-05 | Open price |
| Nintendo DS | 12/2/2004 | ¥ 15,000 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| └ Nintendo DSlite | 3/2/2006 | ¥ 16,800 | 6/19/2010 | Open price | - | - | - | - |
| └ Nintendo DSi | 11/1/2008 | ¥ 18,900 | 6/19/2010 | ¥ 15,000 | - | - | - | - |
| └ Nintendo DSiLL | 21-Nov-09 | ¥ 20,000 | 6/19/2010 | ¥ 18,000 | - | - | - | - |
| Wii | 2-Dec-06 | ¥ 25,000 | Oct. 1, 2009 | ¥ 20,000 | - | - | - | - |
| 3DS | 2/26/2011 | ¥ 25,000 | 8/11/2011 | ¥ 15,000 | - | - | - | - |
| └ 3DS LL | 7/28/2012 | ¥ 18,900 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Wii U basic | 12/8/2012 | ¥ 26,250 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Wii U delux | 12/8/2012 | ¥ 31,500 | - | - | - | - | - | - |
+-----------------------+--------------+---------------+----------------------+-----------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+--------------------+---------------------------+*The original Famicom itself never received an official price cut in Japan. However, Nintendo released a brand new model (HVC-10) in in Japan on December 1, 1993 for ¥6800.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System_(Model_NES-101))
michaelius
Banned
sörine;114730939 said:
MC doesn't count download cards
Wow at those Wii U numbers. I did expect 60k, 30k, two or three weeks above 10k before going back to the PS4 basement. The Wii U as a system seems to be dead, all Nintendo fans seems to have bought it already and the Nintendo games coming out are selling well to those fans but not enticing any new buyers.
I think that the optimal solution for a company like Nintendo, that has no other businesses outside of dedicated game hardware and software, is to acknowledge that the market for what they offer is shrinking, and adapt to that reality rather than trying too hard to resist or fight it.
Downsize the company, lower sales and market expectations, secure their place as the definitive player in what will increasingly become a more and more niche industry, and continue to provide the same quality experiences they are good at.
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TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Good start I say. If next week shows a steady and healthy style sell of Mk8 and Wii U, it could be a good sign!
They're not downloads, they're discs. MC counts all other disc bundles but not the Wii U ones for some reason.
edit- Nevermind, I looked again and they are downloads. Weird, I though they were disc copies except for Fit?
Captain Smoker
Member
I found some updated shipment figures for Nintendos million sellers again.
I'll update it later, because I need to translate it from japanese.
The last number we had for Fire Emblem: Awakening was 1.290.000 as of September 2013.
Well, it's at 1.430.000 units as of December 2013.
I'll update it later, because I need to translate it from japanese.
The last number we had for Fire Emblem: Awakening was 1.290.000 as of September 2013.
Well, it's at 1.430.000 units as of December 2013.
I found some updated shipment figures for Nintendos million sellers again.
I'll update it later, because I need to translate it from japanese.
The last number we had for Fire Emblem: Awakening was 1.290.000 as of September 2013.
Well, it's at 1.430.000 units as of December 2013.
Interested in know more of this.
frankie_baby
Member
I found some updated shipment figures for Nintendos million sellers again.
I'll update it later, because I need to translate it from japanese.
The last number we had for Fire Emblem: Awakening was 1.290.000 as of September 2013.
Well, it's at 1.430.000 units as of December 2013.
140k in three months about eighteen months after launch, impressive
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Even though it wasn't that long ago, relatively speaking, the days of pac-charts and holy trinities feels like aeons ago.
Captain Smoker
Member
3DS Update
Code:
Game Last Update Dec. 2013 Plus
Fire Emblem: Awakening 1.290.000 (Sep. 13) 1.430.000 + 140.000
Pokemon Rumble Blast 1.310.000 (Jun. 13) 1.350.000 + 40.000
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 1.040.000 (Jun. 13) 1.270.000 + 230.000
Kid Icarus: Uprising 1.210.000 (Jun. 13) 1.230.000 + 20.000
Mario Tennis Open 1.160.000 (Jun. 13) 1.210.000 + 50.000
Style Savvy: Trendsetters ------------------- 1.030.000 + 1.030.0001st Course
Member
Good find
Aaron Strife
Banned
I wish Kid Icarus had done better, but I think the control scheme contributed to poor word of mouth. Maybe if they do a Wii U version they can go for something more conventional.
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Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
Anyone else just not enjoy the Japanese charts anymore? I loved looking at sales numbers last gen, but now everything sucks. Mobile is exploding but we don't see the numbers, while traditional gaming is dying. Even the 3DS is stagnating. It's depressing to watch.
I remember when I was a lurker here and GAF went apeshit over Easter.
Captain Smoker
Member
Wii Updates - notice the lols
Code:
Game Last Update Dec. 2013 Plus
Wii Party 8.850.000 (Jun. 13) 8.920.000 + 70.000
Mario Party 8 8.720.000 (Jun. 13) 8.850.000 + 130.000
Super Mario Galaxy 2 7.330.000 (Sep. 13) 7.410.000 + 80.000
Zelda: Twilight Princess 7.200.000 (Sep. 13) 7.260.000 + 60.000 (lol)
Donkey Kong Country: Returns 6.300.000 (Jun. 13) 6.530.000 + 230.000
Animal Crossing: City Folk 4.270.000 (Jun. 13) 4.320.000 + 50.000
Super Paper Mario 4.110.000 (Jun. 13) 4.230.000 + 120.000
Zelda: Skyward Sword 3.660.000 (Sep. 13) 3.670.000 + 10.000 (lol)
Mario Party 9 2.950.000 (Jun. 13) 3.110.000 + 160.000
Mario Strikers: Charged 2.580.000 (Jun. 13) 2.600.000 + 20.000
Kirbys Epic Yarn 1.840.000 (Jun. 13) 1.850.000 + 10.000
Mario Power Tennis GCN 1.770.000 (Jun. 13) 1.790.000 + 20.000
Kirby Return Dreamland 1.740.000 (Jun. 13) 1.790.000 + 50.000
Wii Play: Motion 1.610.000 (Jun. 13) 1.640.000 + 30.000
Metroid Prime 3 1.420.000 (Jun. 13) 1.410.000 - 10.000 (lol)
PokePark Wii: Pikachus Adv 1.200.000 (Jun. 13) 1.250.000 + 50.000
Punch-Out!! 1.130.000 (Jun. 13) 1.140.000 + 10.000What would the graph be like adjusted for installed base?
Japan really doesn't like the Retro-made Metroid games. How does that even happen anyway?
That's a plausible approach, and is similar to what Sony is doing on a grander scale; Sony is rapidly cutting off employees and departments, and retreating to markets that are safe and reliable for them.
That approach (obviously) has downsides, but also runs a smaller risk of complete collapse. It's up to Nintendo to decide if they want to take a riskier path that could potentially collapse their entire business model, or retreat to safe ground and save what they have left.
Captain Smoker
Member
These are worldwide shipments though. ^^
Don't know how this happened, maybe some rounding errors / adjustments. Poor Metroid.
th3sicknness
Member
One thing I have noticed as of late with ps4 sales is that they are slowing down everywhere I visit.. I always venture to the game section of whatever Target / Walmart I visit .. and a few months ago I could never find a single ps4 in the case .. it was always empty ... X1 case was always full with 5 to 6 units ...
Now what im seeing is the ps4 case with a few units available .. and the stock of the x1 seems to look the same.. I have a feeling that sales are going to slow down drastically this year until maybe Christmas.
Now what im seeing is the ps4 case with a few units available .. and the stock of the x1 seems to look the same.. I have a feeling that sales are going to slow down drastically this year until maybe Christmas.
Oh are they? In that case I guess EU returned some Metroid stock with the Wii Us
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MK8 was never going to save Wii U, neither Nintendo believes this system can be saved anymore. I was expecting a bigger hw bump but if the game manages to raise the baseline above 10k for the next weeks it will be a small victory for Nintendo.