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Media Create Sales: Week 15, 2014 (Apr 07 - Apr 13)
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The Abominable Snowman
Member
Japanese market is dead. This shit is sad as hell to watch.
Not even the handhelds are doing well.
The market that I was so excited to watch and be into as a kid is now dying, and it'll take a bunch of companies down with it.
Not even the handhelds are doing well.
The market that I was so excited to watch and be into as a kid is now dying, and it'll take a bunch of companies down with it.
Exactly. All I'm seeing in here is 3DS/Nintendo fans feeling threatened over some clearly jesting Vita posts.
Magicpaint
Member
It might have to do with the fact that 3DS is relatively underpowered hardware which gets more outdated with time, which leads to less support over time. This kind of transition also happened with the DS/PSP and we know how well the DS sold (even though, the PSP of course also sold well). It might also have to do with the fact that Sony have better third party relations than Nintendo do.
How would you define a nigh-50% year over year sustained decline?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
That´s the first thing i thought of lol.
LithiumSpade
Member
No one believes that. But you sure sound defensive right now.
Heatwaves
my manhood is dictated by the 3DS sales in Japan specifically. this is serious business for me.
1st Course
Member
How so? You do realize that Nintendo is a public company and the whole point of Iwata job is to serve shareholders right? Investors don't care how much the system sold in the past or how the Vita is selling, this shit is irrelevant. All they care about is how the company revenue/profit as whole fare compared to last year. There is a reason why Nintendo shares are down 30% this year so far.
Maybe someone can correct me on this, but I don't think a lot of companies have shifted between Sony and Nintendo portables. The companies that support the Vita are those that had previously supported the PSP, while the companies that support the 3DS are those that have supported Nintendo. Capcom being the obvious exception. The problem is that some of those old supporters have largely or completely moved away from handheld scene in favour of mobile. Both 3DS and Vita have been hit by this differently.
Where?
Who said that?
It's not the first time I've seen you saying stuff like that. (always when Vita is close to 3DS)
Agreed, which is probably why this exists:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/campaign/3dsLL2014/
And I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2DS Japanese release or a 3DSi style release later this year.
No one is being threatened, i think they all jest.
What i see though is that they all sell like crap, which is very sad. I don't think Vita owners should celebrate, i think we all should be worried.
All that negativity aside, has anyone played 'Tokyo Twilight Ghosthunters'? Is it any good?
Do we know if it's getting localized? Interested for the Vita port btw.
I'm sorry for all the questions, i just didn't knew about it, caught my eye because of Arc.
ShogunDarius
Member
so buy a 3ds and get a free game, do you get to choose which or is it random? would this include existing bundles when that promotion is live say like the recent Love Plus 3DS bundle?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I think you're taking things a little too seriously.
You do realise that shares aren't down because sales are down, right? There is little correlation between them.
Includes all 3DS LLs from April 26th until September 30th. From April 26th to May 31st, you get to choose between Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Youkai Watch. Choices for June to September are not yet known.
Magicpaint
Member
2DS isn't going to be very effective. An even worse model is not what they normally resort to when hardware sales need an uptick. The 2DS is a special case because it was targeted towards the more price sensitive western market, and even there, it didn't work the wonders Nintendo hoped for. They need to give people an incentive to upgrade so a 3DSi style model revision is probably what they're looking at - though I am unsure how they're going to achieve that.
1st Course
Member
Why are they down then?
Why not?
Vita hasn't been discontinued as quite a few predicted and is selling so much more than it used to.
Its release schedule also seems to be decently packed instead of being next to nothing like before.
Can't see any issues with some celebration
Glorified G
Member
gigantor21
Member
The Vita is the one-eyed man in the land of the blind.
Seriously, these numbers are fucking dismal.
Seriously, these numbers are fucking dismal.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I'd disagree to a certain extent. I'm finding that developers who found success on the PSP platform are having the equivalent success on the PSVita (God Eater, Y's, Gundam, etc.) - why break away from that model?
Diddy Kong
Banned
But I thought Titanfall had a chance in Japan?
ArchedThunder
Banned
I honestly don't see them releasing a 3DSi like system simply because even the greatest year of software that a Nintendo system has ever seen couldn't even stop a YOY decline. Iwata has already mentioned their plans for their next handheld and console and how they will share an architecture based on the Wii U. I honestly think we will be seeing the 3DS successor in late 2015 or early 2016.
theprodigy
Member
The trackers just will not allow Vita to unanimously win a week, will they.
also the Wii U slide begins
also the Wii U slide begins
Why not?
Vita hasn't been discontinued as quite a few predicted and is selling so much more than it used to.
Its release schedule also seems to be decently packed instead of being next to nothing like before.
Can't see any issues with some celebration
Well ok, go ahead celebrate
But it's slow sales, for everything.
And yeah, ofc Vita has a better schedule and ofc it will not be discontinued. Anyone who believes that for Vita or WiiU frankly knows nothing of markets. Discontinuing them now is losing consumer faith and damning the next one.
If I had to guess, investors are expecting poor numbers at end of year financials.
Anyway, we'd see a price cut or the introduction of the 2DS before any new hardware revision or the successor in line.
Begins? Started ages ago. That's what happens when you don't have a steady stream of software to begin with.
Goddamn. I was so Vita-blinded I hadn't even noticed the Wii U number. Dismal.
Magicpaint
Member
That's...very debatable. 2012 was no slouch at all in software release schedule, especially in the first quarter where 2013 suffered from (largely due to MH4's delay). 2012 also had a model relaunch so it was never going to be an easy year to surpass. I think some of you guys simply don't understand how unusual years like 2012/3 are for any hardware. They're very high hardware numbers and 2014 was never going to match that. I highly doubt Nintendo even thought it'd come close because sales like that are not sustainable.
As for the next handheld who knows? Usually when this kind of decline happens, that's when things get really going for Nintendo handhelds in the west, so this is certainly a unique position where the system is losing momentum everywhere. I wouldn't rule out a sooner than expected new handheld for that very reason but I do think there's some significant software revenue that can still be gotten off of the 3DS.
I don't disagree. There's no reason to. But the Vita is also getting extra support from the tools Sony specifically made available to developers to help foster multiplatform development with PS3 and that has done well in keeping the Vita well served. It's that kind of continuous incentives that Sony offers to developers, in spite of less than favourable hardware sales, that I believe contributes to keeping them on board.
michaelius
Banned
That 2014 is reference to Microsoft bribing video blogers who were supposed to put some kind of weird hash tag in order to get extra money for positive xbone coverage.
It's a joke that post was sponsored
We don't but I assume if that blazblue related visual novel is profitable for Aksys there's a chance this one would be picked too.
Jezuz. It's a good thing for Iwata that they have the money to pay dividends regardless of earnings. I did think the buy-backs + the promise of QoL would have kept the shares a bit higher though.
DeuceGamer
Member
The sales keep getting worse in Japan. Most of those figures are just depressing.
Japanese Xbox fans are clearly waiting for the Xbox One version. That's when Titanfall will take off in Japan.
Dozens of extra consoles will be sold.
How about Dissidia, Type-0, Peace Walker, Monhun, LBX, Winning Eleven, KH, etc? The more niche half of PSP supporting developers seem to have transitioned fine to Vita (like Gust, NIS, Falcom, Acquire and the avalanche of VN studios) but the bigger names (except Koei and sort of Sega and Bandai) seem to have all but abandoned the system. And even those that didn't abandon Vita tend to have defaulted to multiplatform, while PSP enjoyed mostly exclusives from them Vita has to share it's bigger titles with PSP or PS3 to get by.
I can pluck examples of DS franchises doing equivalently well on 3DS too (Rune Factory, Etrian Odyssey, Harvest Moon, DQ, Megaten, Ace Attorney, etc) but that doesn't mean things are rosy overall.
Hellraider
Member
It's not about a week. It's not about Vita outselling it. It's about the general trend. Check the system's YTD. What do you think the numbers will be in the rest of 2014? What about 2015? Dear Lord, I hope we never see what 2016 will look like without a successor.
If you don't see the 3DS' short and long term (which includes it's successor) problems just by looking at the hardware chart I have no other way to convince you. It's not dead, it's still the market leader, it's still the console that makes the most sense to develop games with a six figure sales target. That is changing, though. Rapidly.
This is gonna sound pretty damn bold and probably make the rest of my post not taken as seriously as I would prefer to, but oh well: If Nintendo keeps being Nintendo, and Sony doesn't drop the ball, don't be surprised if from 2015 onwards Vita is the healthier console. I am not expecting a Monster Hunter PSP like turnaround. A PS3 like turnaround though is, in my humble opinion, not out of the question.
Of course there are many things that could change this outcome. From 2DS to QOL to Dragon Quest to secret 3DS AAA(A) project to whatever the hell kind of plans Sony and pubs have for Vita. What I actually want to say is that it's not hyperbolic to recognise the Vita as the healthy (everything in relative terms since we all can see the industry's general decline) competitor and not the dead console we all used to laugh at.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
ArchedThunder
Banned
With a successor releasing next year the 3DS would have a life span similar to the GBA while also selling about half as many units. I honestly don't think they can get much more out of the 3DS, they tried and the fact that they managed to turn it around as much as they did is impressive, but they probably know it's time to move on.
3DS will not survive till 2016.
Last year I would have said otherwise, but I didn't expect the decline this year to be so severe.
That 2014 is reference to Microsoft bribing video blogers who were supposed to put some kind of weird hash tag in order to get extra money for positive xbone coverage.
It's a joke that post was sponsored
Nah, #20V1T4 is how all the crazy kids in the know let all the crazy kids who aren't in the know what's up this year. If you're playing something else, you might as well be wearing a global hypercolour t-shirt and inflating your Reebok pumps.
What a thing to wake up to.
I doubt Nintendo will get to 2016 without having at least announced the successor.
And it better be a perfect console, because if the WiiU continues like this, and sadly i think it will, the one that replaces 3DS must sell huge numbers right from the beginning to keep Nintendo from bleeding money.
outunderthestars
Banned
There isn't much that Nintendo can do at this point. They have so badly missed the mark with the console that I think the only thing they can do is quietly ride out this generation and launch a new system as soon as they can.