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[mortal]

Whether it be in a film, a show, a book, or a video game. Are there any instances when you thought the villain made some very compelling arguments?

 

[0neAnd0nly]

I’m not sure a ton of people will answer,
we all saw what happened to Kanye with answers to something like this.

 

[AJUMP23]

Not really.

 

[Mihos]

Thanos was right

 

[mortal]

Thanos was right

What would you say he was right about?

 

[FunkMiller]

 

[AJUMP23]

What would you say he was right about?

Thanos is a classic environmentalist.

 

[Rival]

 

[Kilau]

I was rooting so hard for Strickland (Michael Shannon) in The Shape of Water.

I don’t know if he had a real argument besides his job, I just wanted him to win instead of the stupid fish. What an awful, overrated piece of garbage film.

 

[k_trout]

 

[Blade2.0]

Is this "The Batman" the thread?

Spoiler: The Batman spoilers

Well, until the writers were like "Riddler is making major sense right now, got to make him kill a bunch of innocents so he needs stopping."

 

[Blade2.0]

Thanos was right

It only makes sense in a scenario where you don't have a reality warping mega device. He just wanted to mass genocide. If he really gave a shit, with the Infinity Gauntlet you could just, you know, make infinite supplies of resources for all or stop entropy from happening or a million other things that aren't mass genocide because you got the feels for it.

 

[AJUMP23]

He just had a medical problem with his heart.

 

[mortal]

Certainly would consider him a tragic figure. Phenomenal performance by Joaquin Phoenix as well.
Such an emotionally complex character.

 

[mortal]

Is this "The Batman" the thread?

Spoiler: The Batman spoilers

Well, until the writers were like "Riddler is making major sense right now, got to make him kill a bunch of innocents so he needs stopping."

I've always wondered about that with certain screenplays. Todd Phillip's Joker is another character that many found themselves empathizing with.
Up until he murders the host, they made it very easy to feel pity for the character and his circumstances.

 

[KyoZz]

Watchmen

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I think the people on Alderaan had it coming to them.

 

[Rush2112]

 

[StreetsofBeige]

T-1000 trying to kill John Connor.

That way we wouldnt get all these shitty Terminator movies after Terminator 2.

 

[Raonak]

Killmongerin Black Panther

 

[mortal]

Watchmen

High-functioning, high IQ sociopath. Hard to imagine the smartest man alive not being extremely pragmatic in dealing with dilemmas
The character really embodies the trolly problem but on a much larger scale.

Although I like the comic Ozymandias a bit more tbh.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

king'sman?

 

[Power Pro]

Thanos was right

It only makes sense in a scenario where you don't have a reality warping mega device. He just wanted to mass genocide. If he really gave a shit, with the Infinity Gauntlet you could just, you know, make infinite supplies of resources for all or stop entropy from happening or a million other things that aren't mass genocide because you got the feels for it.

Right, Thanos would almost be my answer except his solution wasn't the right one. With that kind of power, he could have created infinite resources, or even change the foundation of the universe so less resources are needed. His solution was temporary at best. On planet earth alone, our population has exploded in a relatively short amount of time. We're at 7.7 billion this year alone. Let's say Thanos came along and wiped out half, bringing us down to... about 3.8 billion people. We were last in that range in the early 70s. Give us another 50 years, and we're right back where we started with the same problems. Thanos is right to be aware of the problem, but his solution is idiotic.

 

[daveonezero]

All the time. Hollywood seems to have a habit of making villains say conservative, free market capitalist theories or ideas.

See Joker in Dark Knighr, Marco Inaros in the Expanse

 

[JimmyRustler]

Agent Smith in Matrix?

 

[ZehDon]

"We tolerate it because it's common".

I've always loved Doe's rationale, because there's a degree of moral correctness in it that we all feel at this point in the film, but that the main characters feel, too. It's echoed in Summerset's sign off: 'Ernest Hemingway once wrote, 'The world is a fine place and worth fighting for.' I agree with the second part.'

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Showing time and again it cannot be controlled or made pet, humans still falling for the same shit.

 

[Kamina]

 

[TonyK]

Thanos thread.

 

[Pejo]

I was rooting for the dinosaurs in every 'Jurassic' film since the first one. Does that count?

 

[Goalus]

Agent Smith in The Matrix.

 

[OZ9000]

Every time I drive in traffic. "Fuck, Thanos was right!"

On a more serious note, Thanos would have a more compelling argument if he said to eliminate all murderers, paedophiles, and rapists from the entire planet.

 

[Soodanim]

Right, Thanos would almost be my answer except his solution wasn't the right one. With that kind of power, he could have created infinite resources, or even change the foundation of the universe so less resources are needed. His solution was temporary at best. On planet earth alone, our population has exploded in a relatively short amount of time. We're at 7.7 billion this year alone. Let's say Thanos came along and wiped out half, bringing us down to... about 3.8 billion people. We were last in that range in the early 70s. Give us another 50 years, and we're right back where we started with the same problems. Thanos is right to be aware of the problem, but his solution is idiotic.

At least in the comics the Mad Titan trying to impress Death so she would like him back had a non-zero chance of success. Movie Thanos had no foresight to see that wiping out half is a temporary measure, treating the symptom rather than the actual issue. Which is strange when you work towards a goal for so long. I'm sure he had time to think about it.

 

[GymWolf]

People still think that idiot of thanos had a good plan uh?

 

[Rentahamster]

All Pierce Brosnan's character wanted to do in Mrs. Doubtfire was be a good BF to Miranda and a healthy role model for the kids

 

[Durien]

Thanos was right

I agree. The funny thing is, they changed this soooooooo much from the actual comic. In the comic, Thanos wanted to impress death with a high kill count if I remember right. Not sure why they skewed the story in the movies. Did they want to make Thanos more "approachable" and not a psychopath?

 

[Spaceman292]

I’m not sure a ton of people will answer,
we all saw what happened to Kanye with answers to something like this.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Dr.Morris79]

The original sin.

 

[GymWolf]

Everyime there is a situation where the good guy protect a person\child that can save humanity with a sacrifice but they goes like "fuck the humanity, my feelings are more important that saving the human race"

Fuck those people.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Whether it be in a film, a show, a book, or a video game. Are there any instances when you thought the villain made some very compelling arguments?

This question reminds me of a video a video I watched a while back:

 

[Coconutt]

Killmonger do be spittin facts tho

 

[GymWolf]

Killmonger do be spittin facts tho

Ah yes, the black lives matter extremist with muscles, such a great and deep character...

Dude was as bad and hilarious as 99% of marvel villains, he was just well acted by a charismatic actor with a huge screen presence in a movie that had huge success for reasons we all know.

Pretty sure he was engaged with nepenthe from reeeee at some point.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Played it long ago, but I remember Lucifer making some really good points in Shin Megami Tensei IV.

Also, the main antagonist in Lost Judgment, can't get mad at him.

 

[MayauMiao]

 

[GeekyDad]

I think the people on Alderaan had it coming to them.

Was thinking along similar lines...

(Zod)

Even Jor-el saw the planet's imminent self-destruction.

But of course Zod's "solution" to the problem is what makes him a villain in most people's (myself included) eyes.

 

[Ulysses 31]

-the plundering

 

[Scotty W]

 

[Ulysses 31]

Was thinking along similar lines...

(Zod)

Even Jor-el saw the planet's imminent self-destruction.

But of course Zod's "solution" to the problem is what makes him a villain in most people's (myself included) eyes.

Zod is also a bit dumb using a sea of skulls to bring across his argument if it's meant to be sympathetic, if anything, it will strengthen the resolve of those against him...

 

[winjer]

 

[Brazen]